Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Pilot Lounge > Safety
Discovery Channel 727 Crash >

Discovery Channel 727 Crash

Search
Notices
Safety Accidents, suggestions on improving safety, etc

Discovery Channel 727 Crash

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-09-2012, 04:39 AM
  #21  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: B-73N FO
Posts: 532
Default

And how they kept saying it was the largest plane flown by remote control after they showed the NASA 707 crash. At least the pilot said it was the largest plane flown by a hand held remote control.

Or how how one of their experts said it would slow down 5 knots after the crew bailed. In a 727 ref moves 1 knot every 2000 pounds. Do the math.

Also right at the end I heard "Traffic, Traffic" which if you have a 337 on your wing tip you might expect. The subtitle said "Descending, Descending." I've never seen a GPWS that had a "Descending" call.

The TCAS blaring "traffic traffic" and the associated subtitle was pretty funny...then again, for all they got wrong they did a better job than most shows when it comes to aviation.
Emb170man is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 04:49 PM
  #22  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Posts: 42
Default

Just saw this tonight. It's an amazing project, however wonky the commentary was.

Have a soft spot for the 27 as that's what I learned to dispatch on. Solid product from Boeing.

RIP "Big Flo". Thank you for your service.
memphisbelle is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 07:17 PM
  #23  
Working Class Dog
 
11Fan's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: Spares Pusher
Posts: 1,668
Default

Recorded it and finally watched it last night. There were a few creative liberties, but given that the shows demographic was probably -for the most part- unfamiliar with aircraft, it was not too bad.

As thurberm suggested, not having spares was sloppy. They got lucky there.
11Fan is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 09:27 PM
  #24  
Da Hudge
 
80ktsClamp's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
Default

Originally Posted by 11Fan View Post
Recorded it and finally watched it last night. There were a few creative liberties, but given that the shows demographic was probably -for the most part- unfamiliar with aircraft, it was not too bad.

As thurberm suggested, not having spares was sloppy. They got lucky there.
Just getting to watch the whole thing tonight. I saw the last 30 minutes earlier in the week. They knew the speed it would be flying at... I can't fathom not having aircraft able to fly along side it.

However- it seems they thought the remote system would be able to have a much wider area of functionality than it did once they got to air testing. If you notice they started out where they thought they would be able to control it from and then moved in. Of course, that is something that ground experimentation should have covered....
80ktsClamp is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 10:51 PM
  #25  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: retired 767(dl)
Posts: 5,724
Default

I thought they found a SM 260 to fly chase, then it disappeared, and the mixmaster showed up again. What happened?
badflaps is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 05:35 AM
  #26  
Working Class Dog
 
11Fan's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: Spares Pusher
Posts: 1,668
Default

thought they found a SM 260 to fly chase, then it disappeared,
AOG, Fuel Pump, no Spares.
11Fan is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 07:12 AM
  #27  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 361
Default

Looked like a bunch of amateurs.
Zoot Suit is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 09:11 AM
  #28  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Posts: 34
Default

I keep forgetting to set my DVR to record this. It looked really interesting in the commercials... worth watching or just hype worthy of skipping?
Tartan Army is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 09:33 AM
  #29  
New Hire
 
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: Student
Posts: 4
Default

I agree. It was as simple as what is the min. Landing speed and what is the max airspeed of the othe plane. It seemed like it was an after thought lol
Jolly137 is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 10:48 AM
  #30  
Moderate Moderator
 
UAL T38 Phlyer's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Curator at Static Display
Posts: 5,681
Default 5 minutes

Originally Posted by Tartan Army View Post
I keep forgetting to set my DVR to record this. It looked really interesting in the commercials... worth watching or just hype worthy of skipping?
Record it and fast-forward to the last 5 minutes. For all the money they must have spent on it, it was a little pathetic, especially the chase/remote-control plane (Cessna 337), which had to keep asking the 727 to either slow down or turn so they could catch-up. They missed their target crash-point by 2000 ft short (I heard them say "Idle;" I guess they couldn't push the power back up....). It seemed to hit in a flat area, but I think it went over a small earthen-berm about 2 seconds after touchdown. I think that, and the nose wheel going under the forward fuselage, made it buckle and snap.

Post-crash, they seemed surprised that one or more engines was running near full-power....that might happen when the cockpit is ripped off, and the throttle-cables go with it....

They keep showing the same 4 or 5 five good shots, and try to add dramatic-effect by having the "safety experts" narrate with such gems as "We hope to publish these results some day," or "We have a treasure-trove of data we hope the manufacturers will use to build safer aircraft." Pardon my skepticism, but I don't see Boeing building the 797 "Crashliner" in the future.

I don't think they really learned anything earth-shattering (Pun intended). Un-surprisingly, when the front of the plane bounces 12 feet in the air before buckling, the seats forward of the wing absorbed the heaviest g-loads.

I wondered how they would work the "D B Cooper" airstair mod. Yeah, you could take the little wind-vane off, but who would put the rear stairs back UP before the landing? Ans: they just removed the aft stairs!!
UAL T38 Phlyer is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
ToiletDuck
Safety
5
08-08-2012 09:04 PM
Tech Maven
Your Photos and Videos
7
04-30-2012 03:11 PM
eraops
Hangar Talk
13
10-31-2011 05:07 AM
DLax85
Cargo
25
05-24-2008 07:27 PM
GravellyPointer
Major
17
04-08-2007 07:05 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices