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Originally Posted by JohnnyG
the primary is out, but i doubt anyone will have the balls to post it here.
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If so....there is nothing posted on the NTSB's website that I saw or in recent news releases. Interesting.Originally Posted by Lab Rat
What do you mean by "primary"? Are you referring to an NTSB preliminary report? Apologies in advance for my ignorance.
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Same here. I too checked the websites of the NTSB and National and couldn't find anything.Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
If so....there is nothing posted on the NTSB's website that I saw or in recent news releases. Interesting.
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You have my attention Derek Jeter. Step on up to the plate.Originally Posted by JohnnyG
the primary is out, but i doubt anyone will have the balls to post it here.
What happened?
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Press Release April 30, 2013Originally Posted by Twin Wasp
There won't be an NTSB report. It'll come out of the Afghan Ministry of Transport and Civil Aviation.
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NTSB to assist Afghan authorities with investigation into Bagram cargo plane crash
April 30
The National Transportation Safety Board will lead a team to assist the Afghanistan Ministry of Transportation and Commercial Aviation in the investigation of a cargo plane crash at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan.
NTSB Senior Air Safety Investigator Tim LeBaron will be the U.S. accredited representative. He will lead a team of three additional investigators from the NTSB as well as representatives from the Federal Aviation Administration and The Boeing Company.
The private cargo plane, a Boeing 747-400 operated by National Air Cargo, crashed just after takeoff from the U.S.-operated air base at 11:20 a.m. local time Monday. All seven crewmembers onboard were killed and the airplane destroyed. The seven crew members were all American citizens. The accident site is within the perimeter of Bagram Air Base.
The international cargo flight was destined for Dubai World Central - Al Maktoum International Airport, Dubai, United Arab Emirates.
The Afghanistan Ministry of Transportation and Commercial Aviation is leading the investigation and will be the sole source of information regarding the investigation. According to the International Civil Aviation Organization, they can be reached at (873) 68 2341450 / 49 or by fax at (873) 68 1280784.
while there may not be an NTSB report, per se, I am happy to see that at least they are playing an active role in the investigation.NTSB to assist Afghan authorities with investigation into Bagram cargo plane crash
April 30
The National Transportation Safety Board will lead a team to assist the Afghanistan Ministry of Transportation and Commercial Aviation in the investigation of a cargo plane crash at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan.
NTSB Senior Air Safety Investigator Tim LeBaron will be the U.S. accredited representative. He will lead a team of three additional investigators from the NTSB as well as representatives from the Federal Aviation Administration and The Boeing Company.
The private cargo plane, a Boeing 747-400 operated by National Air Cargo, crashed just after takeoff from the U.S.-operated air base at 11:20 a.m. local time Monday. All seven crewmembers onboard were killed and the airplane destroyed. The seven crew members were all American citizens. The accident site is within the perimeter of Bagram Air Base.
The international cargo flight was destined for Dubai World Central - Al Maktoum International Airport, Dubai, United Arab Emirates.
The Afghanistan Ministry of Transportation and Commercial Aviation is leading the investigation and will be the sole source of information regarding the investigation. According to the International Civil Aviation Organization, they can be reached at (873) 68 2341450 / 49 or by fax at (873) 68 1280784.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the NTSB normally be involved in any investigation involving a US aircraft regardless of location, as well as the manufacturer of the aircraft ?Originally Posted by satpak77
while there may not be an NTSB report, per se, I am happy to see that at least they are playing an active role in the investigation.
From what I understand it's an option, and not automatically done, but won't they mostly assist in some form or another with a large US acft incident ?
It will be an NTSB report with the Afghanistan Ministry of Transportation and Commercial Aviation stamp on it no doubt. I'd wager that the Afghans don't have the resources/expertise to investigate that mishap.
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From what I understand it's an option, and not automatically done, but won't they mostly assist in some form or another with a large US acft incident ?
Probably so, but my understanding is if it happens physically outside of US jurisdiction (for lack of a better word), they can only participate if "invited" or similar, or where their role will benefit the host nation. I think the accident airplane's (a US N-number owned by US company) departure from a base with US military presence/activity and carrying cargo "in support of" the joint US/Afghan war on terror (US/Afghan: joint partners, happy family, etc blah blah), was more than enough to "allow" NTSB to participate.Originally Posted by savall
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the NTSB normally be involved in any investigation involving a US aircraft regardless of location, as well as the manufacturer of the aircraft ?From what I understand it's an option, and not automatically done, but won't they mostly assist in some form or another with a large US acft incident ?
Imagine a AeroMexico crash inside USA. The Mexican DGAC is not going to show up and start barking order at the scene and being "primary" on things. Maybe an extreme example but that is my understanding of things....
Other extreme example: leased N-number Brasilia, leased by Honduran airline, with 20 crashes in Honduras, no US citizens on board. Doubt the NTSB is going to show up.
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We can assume that the "anyone" you refer to is you? 'Cuz we sure don't see it in your post....Originally Posted by JohnnyG
the primary is out, but i doubt anyone will have the balls to post it here.
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No need to imagine, just go back to a quiet Sunday morning in 1986 over the skies of Los Angeles - Cerritos to be exact.Originally Posted by satpak77
Imagine a AeroMexico crash inside USA. The Mexican DGAC is not going to show up and start barking order at the scene and being "primary" on things. Maybe an extreme example but that is my understanding of things....
ASN Aircraft accident McDonnell Douglas DC-9-32 XA-JED Cerritos, CA
