afterburn81

I've been doing some research and can't quite find the exact references to explain a problem that I have been seeing at my airline. So if anyone has any insight it would be greatly appreciated.

Where would one find the regs that govern flight attendants? I know they are treated a lot different than pilots with respect to FT/DT and rest requirements.

For me as a pilot it is required that while I'm on duty I must be able to see at least one 8 hour rest period in a rolling 24 hour period.

Does this apply to flight attendants as well? I know they need at least 8 hours of rest prior to an assignment per the regs. There's got to be more to it.

The only reason I ask is that I have a good friend that get's abused quite often as a reserve FA and I'd like to help her out. They really aren't educated on that stuff and their union is absolutely useless.

Any help is appreciated.

Twin Wasp

121.467 We usually run plus two and I've seen times the pilots can go but the cabin crew is down for 12.

Since you're friend is on reserve I'm guessing it's a "When can they be called out question." Since the reg for flight attendants says duty starts when they report for an assignment that involves flight, they could be on call 24x6 until their one in seven starts.

Sniper

So, just so I'm not missing the big picture somehow:

'Reporting for an assignment that involves flight time' means if a FA reports and the show time is say, 0600, but the flight is delayed till 1500, the FA is on duty the entire time up to the flight, no?

afterburn81

The definition of "Duty" is no different as it pertains to FA's and Pilots. However, there are some governing differences that I can't quite reference.

An example relating to a pilot: Joe pilot starts an "on call" or "reserve" period at 0900. At 1600 that same day while on call he is given an assignment that is to report at 1950 later on during the same day. This assignment is a "continuous duty overnight" or a "highspeed" as some call it where the crewmember is continiously on duty throughout the night even though they have a layover at a hotel. The assigned trip has a release or duty out time of 0900 the following day.

Can a pilot accept this assignment? No. Pilots are required at any given time during an assignment in which they are on duty to have 8 hours of rest in a 24 hour lookback. Since this pilot started his reserve period at 0900 his rest stopped at 0859. Reserve is not duty nor rest. Therefore, 0059 is the latest time in which said pilot can lookback and still see 8 hours of rest in a 24 period.

Some chief FA's and Union reps say that this regulation also applies to FA's. However, I cannot find where and none of them know either.

So if it applies to them, how are they accepting assignments exactly like the one described on a regular basis? And when they challenge their chief FA's and Union reps they are told it's legal. They aren't sure how, but it is.

I'd like to find where a regulation such as the 8 hours of rest in 24 exists. Seems kind of weird to me.