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-   -   Asiana 777 Crash at SFO (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/safety/75814-asiana-777-crash-sfo.html)

Rudder 07-06-2013 01:49 PM
Anyone know if Asiana flies leg lengths such as this with an augmented crew or not?

strong current 07-06-2013 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by 32LTangoTen (Post 1440327)
SFO NAV ILS RWY 28L LLZ/DME OTS WEF 1307072000-1307072359

SFO NAV ILS RWY 28L GP OTS WEF 1306011400-1308222359

source: https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...trievalByICAOs

I hope they dont rely on an ILS G/S everytime they fly!
My guess is you have never flown as an expat for any of the Asian carriers.

FLowpayFO 07-06-2013 02:17 PM
My speculation is mis-calculated slower landing speeds with the autopilot coupled to the faulty glide slope, possibly autoland gone wrong?

I'm just glad to see survivors and the fact the United 747 abeam 28L didn't get affected.

strong current 07-06-2013 02:22 PM
Originally Posted by 32LTangoTen (Post 1440331)
United crew that was holding short of 28L had a front row seat. UAL needed a few more minutes and was told to hold short of 28L. I missed that connection initially!

a simplified mp3 version. http://wandr.me/Audio/AAR214-KSFO-Crash.mp3
That's nuts

mike734 07-06-2013 02:25 PM
Originally Posted by 32LTangoTen (Post 1440331)
United crew that was holding short of 28L had a front row seat. UAL needed a few more minutes and was told to hold short of 28L. I missed that connection initially!

a simplified mp3 version. http://wandr.me/Audio/AAR214-KSFO-Crash.mp3
That view must have been spooky close. Those guys are going to be the best source of witness information.

Adlerdriver 07-06-2013 02:33 PM
Originally Posted by FLowpayFO (Post 1440385)
My speculation is mis-calculated slower landing speeds with the autopilot coupled to the faulty glide slope, possibly autoland gone wrong?
:confused: What are you basing such speculation on? Pretty sure the 777 calculates the approach speeds for you, so that's probably out. G/S was NOTAMed out, so unlikely they would try to use it for autoland. Even if they tried, there'd be enough bells and whistles well prior to the overrun to let them know that it was a bad idea.

mike734 07-06-2013 02:39 PM
Gawd the guy on CNN right now is such an idiot. He can't even pronounce the name of the airline right.

FlyingKat 07-06-2013 02:49 PM
Originally Posted by mike734 (Post 1440394)
Gawd the guy on CNN right now is such an idiot. He can't even pronounce the name of the airline right.
Should have heard the reporter "expert" on MSNBC taking about flying his 777 in SFO on Microsoft Flight Simulator this morning :rolleyes:

SACemcised 07-06-2013 02:56 PM
Since CNN has reported with their "Experts" I guess a Sole Source ASAP report is out of the question.


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