Bilsch

So are you saying it is a physiological problem with the visual acuity of these pilots?

atpcliff

Would u say the same about the UPS crew that crashed in BHM while attempting to fly a visual approach???

FXDX

Dude: You have made some outrageously ridiculous posts in your time, but this one absolutely takes the cake as being the most ignorant, insensitive and ill-informed of them all.

Congrats. Really.

ShyGuy

It was his first approach in a 777 to SFO, he had flown into and landed at SFO many times on the B747.

atpcliff, you are correct that a bias exists against the pilots of Asiana versus the UPS accident.

80ktsClamp

Considering there have been equally ignorant posts due to the FO being female and the CA being black, want to try again?

DeadHead

What bias are you talking about???

Relatively little information about UPS crash at this time, especially due to the fact it occurred during darkness with no first hand witness accounts.

Asiana crash occurred weeks ago now and the entire event was observed by multiple observers. The entire accident was even videotaped by a nearby ground observer. Furthermore, the crash occurred on a beautiful VFR day.

ShyGuy

Irrelevant. Even a couple days after the Asiana crash, armchair experts here had everything they needed to badmouth the crew. There is also enough about the UPS crash put out by the NTSB that the picture is going to become clear. No engine failure, no flight control failure, no distress call sent. Coupled approach the whole way down with GPWS terrain alert going off at least once. Combined crew experience less than the 2 pilots upfront in Asiana. Not that it matters, but still the information released so far.

In both cases, a normal flyable aircraft with no known abnormalities did not make the intended flight path. It doesn't matter if one day was VFR.

People are quick to point out that this UPS crash was at night and fatigue is a factor. They are right. This was within their window of circadian low - WOCL. But how people forget (or ignore) the fact that Asiana pilots landing at 11:30 am SFO time was like 3-4am time in Seoul where they were based, and they were well within their WOCL at the time of the accident.

ShyGuy

Who cares about the sex or color of the pilot? That's irrelevant. However, what is relevant is the FO only having 1200 hrs in the 6 years at UPS. 200 hrs per year isn't a lot and how many actual LOCs were done in 1200 hrs? Same for the CA, 8600 hrs total with a 23 yr career, he wasn't doing more than 200-300 per year average either. Again, how many LOC done in actual with that kind of low currency?

KC10 FATboy

Just curious, in your opinion, what amount of flying per month would you consider to be acceptable currency?

ShyGuy

That's hard to say, but more than 200-300/year. Obviously reserve pilots can fly that little, but for lineholders it should be a lot more. There are jobs that require 150-200 hrs (or more) currency in the last 6 months so that at least shows some kind of baseline. Barring some kind of medical/FMLA leave and even with vacation/personal time, 500 hrs per year would be reasonable for good currency for lineholders. This is all for domestic US of course.