Asiana 777 Crash at SFO
06-26-2014, 12:41 PM
#942
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
Sounds very subjective, as in technique. Do autothrottles really cause this much consternation automation-wise? We fly a forced "mixed mode" in the CRJ-200... No A/T whatsoever.
One of the highest threats you can have is hand flying with the A/T on in an approach... you have to make sure you're in the desired mode and understand the implications.
Asiana was a text book example of using it as a crutch and thinking it will always be there to help.
06-26-2014, 01:39 PM
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IMHO, automation has saved more lives in the vast scheme of aviation and we should be careful trying to solve a perceived problem by degrading the aircraft automation. Ultimately the issue falls back on the pilots, but the manufactures and training is where it starts.
06-26-2014, 02:00 PM
#944
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Originally Posted by iceman49
IMHO, automation has saved more lives in the vast scheme of aviation and we should be careful trying to solve a perceived problem by degrading the aircraft automation. Ultimately the issue falls back on the pilots, but the manufactures and training is where it starts.
06-26-2014, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
"Bus" usually means 320-series, including 18/19/21.
It's like saying the Chevy does this, or the Puegot does that. Many variations, so calling out the model adds clarity.
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06-26-2014, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
IMHO, automation has saved more lives in the vast scheme of aviation and we should be careful trying to solve a perceived problem by degrading the aircraft automation. Ultimately the issue falls back on the pilots, but the manufactures and training is where it starts.
06-26-2014, 05:40 PM
#948
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Originally Posted by iceman49
So is the 330/340 the "big bus," and the 380 "le grande bus?"
And "also a bus but not like the others" for the 300/310 for TonyC.
06-26-2014, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
short/little bus, big bus, and megapoodle?
And "also a bus but not like the others" for the 300/310 for TonyC.
And "also a bus but not like the others" for the 300/310 for TonyC.
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06-27-2014, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That is a different case with A/T not installed. You lose the protections that come from having A/T, but you also aren't tempted in using it as a crutch as well.
One of the highest threats you can have is hand flying with the A/T on in an approach... you have to make sure you're in the desired mode and understand the implications.
Asiana was a text book example of using it as a crutch and thinking it will always be there to help.
One of the highest threats you can have is hand flying with the A/T on in an approach... you have to make sure you're in the desired mode and understand the implications.
Asiana was a text book example of using it as a crutch and thinking it will always be there to help.
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