ForeverFO

Some complacency? When all you've ever flown for 20+ years is a 737, and you have 7,500+ landings, I'd guess there would be a tendency to simply assume "It'll work out, we've done this before, we'll save this approach" - something along those lines?

There are guys out there who haven't done an actual go-around outside the sim. Missed approaches, yes. A go-around in visual conditions, not so much. And we all know that there is a strong tendency to "make it work" and only a weak pilot gives up to try again... obviously a wrong assumption.

As far as the NTSB goes, I have zero issues with releasing CVR and flight data early that is KNOWN to be accurate. So long as they keep conjecturing out of it, the public has a right to hard facts.

NERD

Any truth that the capt is high on fo's avoidance list?

GPullR

Heard something similar

ShyGuy

They confirmed it, yes.

Phantom Flyer

It doesn't make any difference. As a professional pilot, you make a conscientious decision when you strap into your seat. You don't like the other pilot(s) but your professionalism overrides your disdain for that individual and you fly the trip -OR- you decide that you can't operate with that individual and you release your seatbelt and get out. It's that simple.

If you read the statement from the American pilot holding short at LGA, who saw the entire accident, this was one screwed up crew, no matter what the cause.

G'Luck Mates

FXDX

Do you have a link?

Phantom Flyer

FXDX:

I can't verify the source so take it "with a grain of salt". Nevertheless, the wreckage seems to indicate it may well have happened this way.

Y'all be careful out there

AA pilot witness SWA at LGA

"Here is what I saw. We were on taxiway B short of CY abeam the
AA hanger. We were around 2000 ft from the runway end and had a
complete view of the first 2000 ft of the runway.

WN seemed high crossing the threshold and was around 20-30 ft above the 1000ft marker when they flared and ballooned even higher.

At this point the three of us thought he was going around until he pushed the nose over. I will admit it was such a hard pushover that even before he hit the ground at the 1500 ft marker, nose gear first
(barley before the underside of the AC nose hit) I yelled Holy
******.

I believe after the pushover someone tried to get the nose
back up but it was a lost cause. The fact the AC stayed in one
piece is amazing. The nose gear looked like it was on a shock
disappearing back into the wheel well.

The left engine hit first and the AC started sliding left. It was pure luck that no one was hurt, as the area it came to a stop in had a few minutes earlier been full of AC taxiing."

Diesel10pilot

Any truth to the rumor, AA pilot in the jumpseat?

80ktsClamp

That is correct.

Phantom Flyer

No, it was verified and released by KTVU in Oakland.

G'Luck Mate