UPS Accident - BHM
12-20-2013, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by A306pilot
Is their any scuttlebutt around UPS about what may have happened? My airline as far as i know have heard nothing from Airbus about it.
01-24-2014, 02:43 PM
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My definition of a little bit low must be different than yours.
But I agree, barring further info, this mishap should have never happened.
I think they were more tired than they realized and missed the step down fix. I also wonder if the boss was uncomfortable using VNAV descent guidance or just wanted to practice an old school V/S approach.
As there are in many mishaps, I think the final report is going to have a few if only's in it.
But I agree, barring further info, this mishap should have never happened.
I think they were more tired than they realized and missed the step down fix. I also wonder if the boss was uncomfortable using VNAV descent guidance or just wanted to practice an old school V/S approach.
As there are in many mishaps, I think the final report is going to have a few if only's in it.
01-24-2014, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by kronan
My definition of a little bit low must be different than yours.
But I agree, barring further info, this mishap should have never happened.
I think they were more tired than they realized and missed the step down fix. I also wonder if the boss was uncomfortable using VNAV descent guidance or just wanted to practice an old school V/S approach.
As there are in many mishaps, I think the final report is going to have a few if only's in it.
But I agree, barring further info, this mishap should have never happened.
I think they were more tired than they realized and missed the step down fix. I also wonder if the boss was uncomfortable using VNAV descent guidance or just wanted to practice an old school V/S approach.
As there are in many mishaps, I think the final report is going to have a few if only's in it.
01-24-2014, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kronan
I also wonder if the boss was uncomfortable using VNAV descent guidance or just wanted to practice an old school V/S approach.
01-24-2014, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MX727
I read earlier that UPS training has been much slower to adopt VNAV guidance and hadn't trained it to the same extent that FDX had. I remember when they rented one of our sims 4 or 5 years ago, they weren't using VNAV guidance whereas it was FDX's standard for a non-precison.
But they don't have issues with Flaps 15/0 takeoffs in the Bus!
01-24-2014, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MX727
I read earlier that UPS training has been much slower to adopt VNAV guidance and hadn't trained it to the same extent that FDX had. I remember when they rented one of our sims 4 or 5 years ago, they weren't using VNAV guidance whereas it was FDX's standard for a non-precison.
Not true.
A300 FO at UPS.
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