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rickair7777 12-12-2023 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 3735510)
I think they meant “hiding it” by crashing the aircraft if a very remote, deep and mountainous part of the ocean. The Titanic was relatively easy to find, flat ocean floor. Try finding it in an underwater mountain rage.

Also, it is going somewhere. Currents can move it around and spread it out. That is why they find a piece every so often washed up somewhere. It would take some Star Trek level sensors to find this thing now.

The stuff they are finding are small parts that float. Surface currents can take floaty stuff all over the world.

The big pieces are too heavy to get moved around on the bottom.

Harder to find on uneven bottom surfaces but not impossible... aluminum has different characteristics than rock. Also other than the Perth/Aarbian Gulf shipping lane, the search region is very lightly travelled so shouldn't be too much man-made debris out there. Especially since there would have been almost no shipping traffic anywhere in that area prior to the modern age and petroleum... supertankers don't sink nearly as often as the sailing ships of yore.

The real challenge is that, compared to most famous shipwrecks, the search area is exceptionally large. Either need to narrow it down a bit or use autnonomous search vehicles which don't require an expensive surface support ship. Yes the USN has such things, for different applications... turn 'em loose and let them do their thing for months on end. They'll report back periodically.

PNWFlyer 12-12-2023 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3735542)
The stuff they are finding are small parts that float. Surface currents can take floaty stuff all over the world.

The big pieces are too heavy to get moved around on the bottom.

Harder to find on uneven bottom surfaces but not impossible... aluminum has different characteristics than rock. Also other than the Perth/Aarbian Gulf shipping lane, the search region is very lightly travelled so shouldn't be too much man-made debris out there. Especially since there would have been almost no shipping traffic anywhere in that area prior to the modern age and petroleum... supertankers don't sink nearly as often as the sailing ships of yore.

The real challenge is that, compared to most famous shipwrecks, the search area is exceptionally large. Either need to narrow it down a bit or use autnonomous search vehicles which don't require an expensive surface support ship. Yes the USN has such things, for different applications... turn 'em loose and let them do their thing for months on end. They'll report back periodically.

yeah, but how many big pieces and just how big? Was it crashed nicely, or vertical at 420 knots? Once on the bottom the heavy pieces won’t move, but they sure got moved around on the long trip to the bottom. I do hope a large price is one day found.

you are right. Autonomous search vehicles are the only way. Remember, whoever did this went to great lengths to make sure there was no way to pinpoint where it crashed. From where the pieces washed up all we know for sure is it was the Indian Ocean.

PNWFlyer 12-12-2023 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by METO Guido (Post 3734883)
Indeed. Stays right there. A lot of thought went into hiding it. Has to be a trail. No crime is unsolvable.

no crime is unsolvable????

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METO Guido 12-12-2023 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 3735579)
no crime is unsolvable????

Solved v prosecuted. There’s a difference. Somewhere on a seabed the shoes of MH370 await discovery.

JohnBurke 12-12-2023 11:26 AM

There is no evidence that the loss was not an accident, or that it was. There is no evidence. Only speculation and guesswork, and wild conspiracy theories.

It may be in the Indian Ocean.

It may not.

PNWFlyer 12-12-2023 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3735707)
There is no evidence that the loss was not an accident, or that it was. There is no evidence. Only speculation and guesswork, and wild conspiracy theories.

It may be in the Indian Ocean.

It may not.

actually, yes there is evidence this was intentional, and you know that.

no accident has a plane go dark the exact moment it is crossing an FIR into another country then fly a path to intentionally avoid radar contact… well radars that they knew about. Then pieces of the plane are found years later that showed damage form a crash and marine growth consistent with being in the Indian Ocean for the amount of time the plane has been missing.

that is not a conspiracy theory.
.

JohnBurke 12-12-2023 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 3735733)
actually, yes there is evidence this was intentional, and you know that.

no accident has a plane go dark the exact moment it is crossing an FIR into another country then fly a path to intentionally avoid radar contact… well radars that they knew about. Then pieces of the plane are found years later that showed damage form a crash and marine growth consistent with being in the Indian Ocean for the amount of time the plane has been missing.

that is not a conspiracy theory.
.

It's absolutely conspiracy bull ****.

Timing is not evidence. It's circumstance.

You don't know that a course was flown to avoid radar. That's wild speculative conjecture. It also sounds like you've never flown over the ocean.

Pieces of aircraft could have wound up almost anywhere in the world. If those pieces had been in the Indian Ocean for a time, obviously they might contain "marine growth consistent with..." but that's not evidence of anything other than a piece of an airframe. It describes nothing of intent in the operation of the aircrft, course, or anything else.

Maybe if you say the words slower or faster you'll sound more convincing. Put some space aliens in there, or baby-eating pizza shops. Maybe some vaccine stories, to really sell it. That's the ticket.

Stan446 12-12-2023 02:31 PM

[QUOTE=JohnBurke;3735738]It's absolutely conspiracy bull ****.


Maybe if you say the words slower or faster you'll sound more convincing. Put some space aliens in there, or baby-eating pizza shops. Maybe some vaccine stories, to really sell it. That's the ticket.[/QUOT

Yawn, You really don't have much going on in your life.

PNWFlyer 12-12-2023 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3735738)
It's absolutely conspiracy bull ****.

Timing is not evidence. It's circumstance.

You don't know that a course was flown to avoid radar. That's wild speculative conjecture. It also sounds like you've never flown over the ocean.

Pieces of aircraft could have wound up almost anywhere in the world. If those pieces had been in the Indian Ocean for a time, obviously they might contain "marine growth consistent with..." but that's not evidence of anything other than a piece of an airframe. It describes nothing of intent in the operation of the aircrft, course, or anything else.

Maybe if you say the words slower or faster you'll sound more convincing. Put some space aliens in there, or baby-eating pizza shops. Maybe some vaccine stories, to really sell it. That's the ticket.

whoa dude. You must have me confused with someone else. I just post the Hillary stuff because I think it is funny. Oh, and Democrats do not “eat babies” in Pizza shops. That is gross, and a little ridiculous, they drain their blood and drink it to stay young. Even my explanation is not exactly accurate. They don’t just drink the blood. They extract the adrenochrome from the blood and drink that.

Anyway, them going dark at the FIR boundary and making a turn and heading for the ocean then turning when “civilian” radars can’t see them is not a “coincidence“.

You also said it might not be in the Indian Ocean! Well, the “evidence” found on the recovered pieces says otherwise. Sorry, so mistook you for someone that was a little more educated. But I can help. For an object to have marine growth consistent with being in the Indian Ocean for a period of time, it can be concluded that it has been in the Indian Ocean for that time. It was also found, on a beach… in the Indian Ocean.

but you keep thinking it is in a jungle in Cambodia near Hillary Clinton’s child blood harvesting compound.

rickair7777 12-12-2023 08:23 PM

At this point the circumstantial evidence is piled pretty high against the CA.

I proposed theories involving fires in the early days, even when many were quick to blame the CA (boeing has a long history of fabricating pilot love triangle suicide fantasies to cover up fatal design flaws).

But after years of analysis the digital forensics are pretty damning, even though it's circumstantial. The airplane flew a course, with several turns, which appeared designed to straddle airspace boundaries to avoid military interdiction and create ATC confusion. It's also reported that the CA executed the same profile on his home flight sim shortly before the flight... and then fast forwared to the middle of the IO. If everything reported in that youtube video is accurate, then it's fairly obvious what happened.

But I haven't heard of a plausible motive yet, so there's that.

And yes it is in the IO. Physics don't lie and that's where the SATCOM emissions say he ended up.


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