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JustAMushroom 03-07-2014 03:58 PM

Malaysian 777 missing
 
updated 7:48 PM EST 03.07.14
Malaysia Airlines loses contact with jet
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(CNN) - A passenger flight carrying 239 people en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing is missing, Malaysia Airlines said Saturday.


The airline said in a statement that Subang Air Traffic Control in Malaysia lost contact with Flight MH370 at 2:40 a.m.

The Boeing 777-200 departed Kuala Lumpur at 12:41 a.m. and was expected to land in Beijing at 6:30 a.m., a 2,300-mile (3,700 kilometer) trip.

It was carrying 227 passengers, two of them infants, and 12 crew members, it said.

"Malaysia Airlines is currently working with the authorities who have activated their Search and Rescue team to locate the aircraft," the statement said. The public can call +603 7884 1234 for further information.

Hoof Hearted 03-07-2014 04:08 PM

After looking over the departure time and time first noted aircraft was lost contact, it most likely wasn't in the area I had suggested. I edited my comments to keep things in line with a fact driven forum and informative nature and don't want to cause rampant speculation.
I am hoping for the best.

ClutchCargo 03-07-2014 04:11 PM

Heard him being called on guard freq earlier today. We were traveling CAN-KIX. There were multiple calls from ATC and other MH aircraft. No response.

Aviator89 03-07-2014 04:24 PM

Malaysia 777-200 lost...
 
as the title says...
Malaysia Airlines says plane missing - Asia news - Boston.com

satpak77 03-07-2014 04:33 PM

pure speculation but the folks at pprune believe it went off radar while at FL 350 or so, and that China said it did not enter their airspace

MH370 contact lost - PPRuNe Forums

ShyGuy 03-07-2014 05:06 PM

CNN says it's a Bowing........

http://s8.postimg.org/nxpebi2at/photo.jpg

rickair7777 03-07-2014 05:28 PM

I cant imagine this would be another fuel issue, they would have had time to call for help. Hopefully there's not another missing plane.

Godspeed.

CRM114 03-07-2014 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by satpak77 (Post 1597694)
pure speculation but the folks at pprune believe it went off radar while at FL 350 or so, and that China said it did not enter their airspace

MH370 contact lost - PPRuNe Forums

That rumor is probably based on the flight aware info that stopped 1 minute after the radar track showed the a/c reaching FL350

Flight Track Log ? MAS370 ? 08-Mar-2014 ? WMKK / KUL - ZBAA / PEK ? FlightAware

Sledge Hammer 03-07-2014 05:45 PM

MH has begun notifying NoK but there's still no updates about the aircraft.

Lloyd Bonafide 03-07-2014 05:49 PM

NoK....Why would they be notifying North Korea?

Lloyd Bonafide. USN Korean War 1951.

cardiomd 03-07-2014 06:10 PM

Very sad. :( Hope for the best but I fear the worst. The reported complete loss of radar pings sounds ominous and concern for in-flight breakup. Of course reports are notoriously unreliable early.

Lloyd - NoK = Next of Kin. Apologies if you were joking.

forgot to bid 03-07-2014 06:24 PM

Malaysia Airlines loses contact with 777
 
Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane en route to Beijing with 239 aboard - CBS News

flyingmau5 03-07-2014 06:29 PM

How does that even happen?

deadstick35 03-07-2014 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 1597734)
That rumor is probably based on the flight aware info that stopped 1 minute after the radar track showed the a/c reaching FL350

Flight Track Log ? MAS370 ? 08-Mar-2014 ? WMKK / KUL - ZBAA / PEK ? FlightAware



All flights out of WMKK seem to drop off soon after departure. Looks like a ground radar limitation.

ShyGuy 03-07-2014 06:47 PM

A thread was started about this in the Majors section and it was moved to the Safety section but without the "Moved: __________" nomenclature.

Anyway, this is very sad news :(

Adlerdriver 03-07-2014 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by flyingmau5 (Post 1597759)
How does that even happen?

bomb maybe?

savall 03-07-2014 07:01 PM

Has it been confirmed where the airplane went down ? The 777 has a near spotless record so it will be interesting to follow this.

80ktsClamp 03-07-2014 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by savall (Post 1597779)
Has it been confirmed where the airplane went down ? The 777 has a near spotless record so it will be interesting to follow this.

Last ADS-B hit was apparently after coasting out north of vietnam into the Vietnam Sea.

Unfortunately sudden loss of contact trends toward catastrophic loss. :( The satellite showed very nice weather down that way.

MrDK 03-07-2014 07:05 PM

Question for those in the "technical know":

If a plane, like a 777, gets in a distress situation (being it one general fault or another) will the ACARS not send a series of information to the company?
AF447 did that.

So losing communication and no ACARS data, could mean what?

I am sure there may be more than one possible explanation, but not countless.

Can this equipment be turned off manually?

Sniper 03-07-2014 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by flyingmau5 (Post 1597759)
How does that even happen?

Read the Air France 447 report for one way it could happen. Read the United 93 (or any of the 9/11 flights) report for another way. Pan Am 103, etc.

These planes were 'lost' by ATC, but eventually found. :(

Whatever happened, we'll find out eventually. 777's don't vanish for long.

Aviator89 03-07-2014 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by cardiomd (Post 1597749)
Very sad. :( Hope for the best but I fear the worst. The reported complete loss of radar pings sounds ominous and concern for in-flight breakup. Of course reports are notoriously unreliable early.

Lloyd - NoK = Next of Kin. Apologies if you were joking.

I have read a few articles in the last hour saying it could have been a clear air turbulence encounter. Pure speculation, I know. But it would explain a lack of radar, and apparently disappeared aircraft if it broke up. (if over water, or until they find it)

Is it possible in that area of the world and with that aircraft to have a nav and com failure due to sever turbulence?(im not familiar with system redundancies in the 777)
I could see severe turbulence damaging an aircraft in such a way both are lost and maybe they got off course over water and ran out of fuel?

savall 03-07-2014 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1597781)
Last ADS-B hit was apparently after coasting out north of vietnam into the Vietnam Sea.

Unfortunately sudden loss of contact trends toward catastrophic loss. :( The satellite showed very nice weather down that way.

Yes, that is the unfortunate reality. It is still being reported on the news as if it were still flying. Looks like they were at 35000..

ShyGuy 03-07-2014 07:13 PM

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/e...dark-site.html

Ladies and Gentlemen, we are deeply saddened this morning with the news on MH370.

Malaysia Airlines confirms that flight MH370 had lost contact with Subang Air Traffic Control at 2.40am, today. There has been speculation that the aircraft has landed at Nanming. We are working to verify the authenticity of the report and others.

Flight MH370 was operated on a Boeing 777-200 aircraft. It departed Kuala Lumpur at 12.41 am earlier this morning bound for Beijing. The aircraft was scheduled to land at Beijing International Airport at 6.30am local Beijing time.

The flight was carrying a total number of 239 passengers and crew – comprising 227 passengers (including 2 infants), 12 crew members. The passengers were of 14 different nationalities - citizens from:-



1. China – 152 plus 1 infant

2. Malaysia - 38

3. Indonesia - 12

4. Australia - 7

5. France - 3

6. United States of America – 3 pax plus 1 infant

7. New Zealand - 2

8. Ukraine - 2

9. Canada - 2

10. Russia - 1

11. Italy - 1

12. Taiwan - 1

13. Netherlands - 1

14. Austria - 1

This flight was a code share with China Southern Airlines.

We are working with authorities who have activated their Search and Rescue team to locate the aircraft.

Our team is currently calling the next-of-kin of passengers and crew.

The flight was piloted by Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, a Malaysian aged 53. He has a total flying hours of 18,365hours. He joined Malaysia Airlines in 1981. First officer, Fariq Ab.Hamid, a Malaysian, is aged 27. He has a total flying hours of 2,763 hours. He joined Malaysia Airlines in 2007.

Our focus now is to work with the emergency responders and authorities and mobilize its full support. Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected passengers and crew and their family members.

The airline will provide regular updates on the situation. The public may contact +603 7884 1234. For media queries, kindly contact +603 8777 5698/ +603 8787 1276.

Next-of-kin may head to the Support Facility Building at KLIA’s South Support Zone. For directions, call 03 8787 1269.

savall 03-07-2014 07:25 PM

Captain had almost 19,000 hours and has been flying for the airline since 1981.

AZFlyer 03-07-2014 07:37 PM

Disregard...

Aviator89 03-07-2014 07:49 PM

FO with only 2,800 hours? Wow. And had been employed with the airline since 2007. Must have been hired at 250 hours. Scary.

flyingmau5 03-07-2014 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by Aviator89 (Post 1597806)
FO with only 2,800 hours? Wow. And had been employed with the airline since 2007. Must have been hired at 250 hours. Scary.

Not the first airline to hire 250 hr wonder pilots. European and Asian airlines have always incorporated Ab-Initio pilots into flying heavy metal ever since ever. Their training is quite different than ours from PPL - Commercial.

avi8orco 03-07-2014 08:31 PM

UPDATE [12:37] Vietnamese Navy has confirmed the plane crashed into the ocean. According to Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat, Commander of the Region 5, military radar recorded that the plane crashed into the sea at a location 153 miles South of Phu Quoc island.

evamodel00 03-07-2014 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by avi8orco (Post 1597823)
UPDATE [12:37] Vietnamese Navy has confirmed the plane crashed into the ocean. According to Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat, Commander of the Region 5, military radar recorded that the plane crashed into the sea at a location 153 miles South of Phu Quoc island.

RIP :'(. horrible.

biigD 03-07-2014 08:44 PM

Damn. Horrible.

RIP

CRM114 03-07-2014 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by deadstick35 (Post 1597761)
All flights out of WMKK seem to drop off soon after departure. Looks like a ground radar limitation.

That sounds right. I've only transited that area East to West, coasting in around Da Nang to Bangkok and back and there's not a lot of reported radar coverage, even the HF is sketchy. In the age of digital ELTs, SATCOM, and ACARS, it's tough to imagine an airplane just disappearing.

RIP

Estimated Location

blastoff 03-07-2014 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by MrDK (Post 1597782)
Question for those in the "technical know":

If a plane, like a 777, gets in a distress situation (being it one general fault or another) will the ACARS not send a series of information to the company?
AF447 did that.

AF 447 was an Airbus, for which ACARS MX data-bursts are factory standard. For everyone else they're not.

MrDK 03-07-2014 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by blastoff (Post 1597842)
AF 447 was an Airbus, for which ACARS MX data-bursts are factory standard. For everyone else they're not.

Thank you.

Mesabah 03-07-2014 09:22 PM

I pray it is not terrorism, this crazy world seems one event away from WW3...

Sorensen 03-07-2014 09:36 PM

The plane had previously been damaged.

"The missing plane is believed to have been involved in a crash in August, 2012, when it damaged the tail of a China Eastern Airlines plane at Shanghai Pudong Airport, according to unconfirmed reports.

"In the incident, the tip of the wing of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 broke off."

Source: http://www.smh.com.a...0308-hvgnx.html

MrDK 03-07-2014 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1597847)
I pray it is not terrorism, this crazy world seems one event away from WW3...

Quite honestly I think that many think like you, but ...
Many others have different vested interests, though all are saddened by this likely even.
Security in KLIA will pray that it was not terrorism.
The airline will pray that it was not pilot or company error.
The manufacturer will pray that it was not equipment failure.
The list goes on.

freightdawg 03-07-2014 10:00 PM

Malaysia Airlines loses contact with 777
 
UPDATE [12:37]: Tuoi Tre, a leading daily in Vietnam, reports that the Vietnamese Navy has confirmed the plane crashed into the ocean. According to Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat, Commander of the Region 5, military radar recorded that the plane crashed into the sea at a location 153 miles South of Phu Quoc island.

rickair7777 03-07-2014 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1597847)
I pray it is not terrorism, this crazy world seems one event away from WW3...

Unlikely, Malaysia is predominantly Muslim and they seem to get along well enough with their non-Muslim minorities. They don't have any internal conflicts that I know of. They are officially opposed to Israel, so the "usual suspects" would have no reason to target them, and every reason not to.

I also doubt any Chinese dissidents would blow up a non-chinese airliner...they prefer the moral support of the global community.

rickair7777 03-07-2014 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by Sorensen (Post 1597854)
The plane had previously been damaged.

"The missing plane is believed to have been involved in a crash in August, 2012, when it damaged the tail of a China Eastern Airlines plane at Shanghai Pudong Airport, according to unconfirmed reports.

"In the incident, the tip of the wing of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 broke off."

Source: http://www.smh.com.a...0308-hvgnx.html

Uh Oh. :(

Gjn290 03-07-2014 10:39 PM

I hope it isn't so, but sounds like must've blown up... terrorism. How else do you explain no mayday calls and losing contact/radar with a 777?


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