King Air crashes into FSI at ICT

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12-04-2014, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

I certainly would not suggest feathering a good motor...my suggestion was to idle both motors to remove most of the Vmc-inducing yaw moment. Then hopefully get it together, pitch for AS then use the good one to go land. But even so it would be better to crash-land in glider mode than to Vmc and spin in the traffic pattern.

I agree. I was referring to Yoda's comment and the backlash that I got from calling it terrible advice.

I've got no problem accepting that you're going to crash and taking the steps you need to take to make it more survivable. But I do have a problem with unnecessarily throwing all chances of recovery out the window... especially with students who might not know what the hell they're doing when they get overwhelmed.

12-04-2014, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

I used to teach ME students to pull both power levers to idle if they were going to lose it in a Vmc situation. The good engine is what will kill you immediately, not lack of an engine.

The only issue I would have with that is that it'll all happen too fast, going to "losing it" implies getting slow and possibly getting towards Vmc and/or stall speed, nose coming up, then going to reach for and feather good engine, fine, but you're likely tail low at low speed and close to the ground, this sets up for a real bad situation. I would just stress no matter what, PUSH THE NOSE DOWN, forget about which engine is running and which isn't, just get the damn nose down. Hold bolt throttles if you want. This kills plenty of people in SE airplanes too, just get the nose down.

12-05-2014, 07:01 AM

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Not to change subject but what's that small tower they placed on the FSI accident site at ICT? And ADS-B receiver maybe? It does not look like a cell phone repeater.

12-08-2014, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cubdriver

FSI is going to need several, not sure how many, new Caravan sims now. They had 2-4 in the accident building that are now toast. I actually flew those sims, they were early 90s vintage machinery worth millions due to the high cost of certification. Newer sims will be a lot better but golly, how long will that order take to fill. New hardware is probably not that far out, a complete set of 2-4 certified replacement sims has to be years off. They'll need a new building too while they're at it. To build a new building and completely replace 4 sims, anybody want to guess how long order will take to fill? I'll say two years +/- a few months for the first operating replacement, more for the rest.

I did some training last month at the HBC FSI training facility and all reports seem to indicate that 1-2 of the sims would be salvageable and would be moved to the HBC building about 20mins east at Beech field. HBC training facility has at least 3-4 empty bays where sims were supposed to be built but were not due to HawkerBeech's ch11 processes.