King Air crashes into FSI at ICT
#21
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Here's the live ATC feed:
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ki...2014-1430Z.mp3
~17:10 Takeoff clearance for N52SZ
~18:20 52SZ declares emergency, left engine failure
~21:40 In response to an unclear question from someone on freq, tower simply says "we just lost an aircraft."
My prayers to those lost
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ki...2014-1430Z.mp3
~17:10 Takeoff clearance for N52SZ
~18:20 52SZ declares emergency, left engine failure
~21:40 In response to an unclear question from someone on freq, tower simply says "we just lost an aircraft."
My prayers to those lost
#22
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Quick bio on the pilot, who in another news story apparently had 3,000+ TT:
Pilot in Wichita airport crash "very experienced," friends say | The Wichita Eagle
What a loss. Tailwinds and blue skies Mark.
Pilot in Wichita airport crash "very experienced," friends say | The Wichita Eagle
What a loss. Tailwinds and blue skies Mark.
#24
I did not know Mark personally, but having been in Wichita off and on a lot during the last 7 years I am sure I have been under his control many times. It does sound like a classic vmc incident aggravated by a flight control malfunction. I also have undergone aircraft flight training several times in that very FSI building, I probably knew one or more of the others. We lost a good one in Mark yesterday, and some trusted aviation training personnel. May they find peace wherever they are.
I seriously doubt the flight controls suddenly malfunctioned when this occured. Maybe you meant "Flight control ineffectiveness as a result of......"
HD
Flew older 200 without auto feather. You only had about 3 seconds to react correctly before it was all over.
#25
I've not flown the -200, but the following was written by Tom Clements (author of 'The King Air Book') on another site:
It is being reported that the pilot had over 3,000TT (over many years), but has there been a breakdown of the ME hours or KA hours?
Why these things keep happening boggles my mind. A 200 -- especially one as presumably lightly loaded as this one -- should perform better on one engine than any Bonanza ever built. Rudder Boost? Autofeather? They make the situation much, much easier to deal with but their being inop should not lead to a loss of control.
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Yes, Not making assumptions but something strange here... Of course it could all turn out to be mechanically related; though there are things that I, and many others, have seen that are disturbing in general. One of them is that I have seen pilots launch into the blue that I know were not prepared, or with an over reliance on the reputation, reliability, or systems of their machine. Sometimes it disturbs me when I hear how reliable an aircraft, engine or system is, especially when I feel it is lending to a degree of complacency. That is for aircraft sales departments, not for pilots. Many pilots perform admirably during training events, only to completely lock up under the real deal. I very much hope that is not what happened here. In anticipation of that potential event. I always tell students, as a last resort, to just feather both engines and fly the plane. This will be interesting. As an aside, If I recall correctly, the auto feather and rudder bias were options, so not all so equipped.
Last edited by Yoda2; 11-01-2014 at 12:50 PM.
#27
Yes, Not making assumptions but something strange here... Of course it could all turn out to be mechanically related; though there are things that I, and many others, have seen that are disturbing in general. One of them is that I have seen pilots launch into the blue that I know were not prepared, or with an over reliance on the reputation, reliability, or systems of their machine. Sometimes it disturbs me when I hear how reliable an aircraft, engine or system is, especially when I feel it is lending to a degree of complacency. That is for aircraft sales departments, not for pilots. Many pilots perform admirably during training events, only to completely lock up under the real deal. I very much hope that is not what happened here. In anticipation of that potential event. I always tell students, as a last resort, to just feather both engines and fly the plane. This will be interesting. As an aside, If I recall correctly, the auto feather and rudder bias were options, so not all so equipped.
All pilots, regardless of pay status, should strive to be pros. It's a real biatch to deal with a big unexpected performance loss that close to the ground. Better to always expect it.
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"That's why being a helicopter pilot is so different from being an airplane pilot, and why in generality airplane pilots are open, clear-eyed, buoyant, extroverts. And helicopter pilots are brooders, introspective anticipators of trouble.
They know if something bad has not happened it is about to."
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