Not understanding AoA indicators...
08-11-2015, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
General Chuck Yeager eloquently summarizes the AOA indicator use:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y73tnUn6ETY
Starts at 54 seconds into video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y73tnUn6ETY
Starts at 54 seconds into video.
He looks too young to be senile.
08-11-2015, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
If the next conflict is decided by landings on carriers, I'm all in on the USN, maybe even the USMC.
GF
PS, it's an old joke
GF
PS, it's an old joke
"The next time the winner of a war is determined by how well you can land on a boat, US Navy pilots are really going to kick ass.
Until then, it only matters how well you can fight."
08-11-2015, 05:55 PM
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Chuck reiterates the spirit of a good aviator, who flies the plane and does not look for simple crutches to save him from what he should already know. From a post of mine awhile back:
Not many GA pilots land on carrier decks (BTW which could easily be done in my 182 without an AOA gauge).
Another excellent recent article by the always reasonable Dick Collins:
Smoke and flames report - is the GA safety picture changing? - Air Facts Journal
Originally Posted by cardiomd
I agree, if somebody is going to stall/spin then they probably should not be flying. It would just be one more gauge to ignore while yanking back on the yoke.
Another excellent recent article by the always reasonable Dick Collins:
Smoke and flames report - is the GA safety picture changing? - Air Facts Journal
Maybe if the stall warning were renamed the AOA warning perhaps the near-hysteria among government folks and some safety mavens about AOA would go away.
When my father started AIR FACTS in 1938, stall/spin accidents were the safety subject of the day. They still are and that will likely remain true for a long time. The accidents of today bear a great similarity to the ones of 77 years ago and I honestly can’t read the accident reports and identify many, if any, accidents that more complete AOA instrumentation would have prevented. If a pilot can’t get the message from the airspeed, from feel of the airplane, from the look of what is going on, and from the bleat of a stall horn, how can another gauge on the instrument panel help?
When my father started AIR FACTS in 1938, stall/spin accidents were the safety subject of the day. They still are and that will likely remain true for a long time. The accidents of today bear a great similarity to the ones of 77 years ago and I honestly can’t read the accident reports and identify many, if any, accidents that more complete AOA instrumentation would have prevented. If a pilot can’t get the message from the airspeed, from feel of the airplane, from the look of what is going on, and from the bleat of a stall horn, how can another gauge on the instrument panel help?
08-11-2015, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
Chuck reiterates the spirit of a good aviator, who flies the plane and does not look for simple crutches to save him from what he should already know. From a post of mine awhile back:
Not many GA pilots land on carrier decks (BTW which could easily be done in my 182 without an AOA gauge).
Another excellent recent article by the always reasonable Dick Collins:
Smoke and flames report - is the GA safety picture changing? - Air Facts Journal
Not many GA pilots land on carrier decks (BTW which could easily be done in my 182 without an AOA gauge).
Another excellent recent article by the always reasonable Dick Collins:
Smoke and flames report - is the GA safety picture changing? - Air Facts Journal
Just keep coming back and showing your butt.
08-11-2015, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Wow....you really do believe you know everything don't you doc?
Just keep coming back and showing your butt.
Just keep coming back and showing your butt.
It's just a joke, I looked up the carrier length and it is far longer than the ground roll of a 182. It would be a fun trick for somebody to do sometime.
Sorry you felt threatened.This was just a humorous response to you saying that GA guys need AOA gauges, then retorting that Chuck only thinks he doesn't need one because he doesn't land on carriers.
08-11-2015, 08:35 PM
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I'd really like to watch Doc try to land his 182 on a carrier...at night during blue water ops with a pitching deck in bad Wx. Easy peezy, right doc?? You can do it, hotshot. No sweat. Heck, we should start calling you Maverick.
08-11-2015, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
This was just a humorous response to you saying that GA guys need AOA gauges, then retorting that Chuck only thinks he doesn't need one because he doesn't land on carriers.
Didn't he also fly with a broken arm? Some of the stuff going on during those days isn't exactly what you'd want to brag about when you are concerned about safety...
08-12-2015, 02:27 AM
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I don't think he's an a-hole. He means well; he just doesn't know enough to know what he doesn't know. It gets a little annoying sometimes when he tries to lecture professionals about their profession, but beyond that he is pretty harmless.
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08-12-2015, 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
USMC, lighten up, it is good for you. Seriously.
It's just a joke, I looked up the carrier length and it is far longer than the ground roll of a 182. It would be a fun trick for somebody to do sometime. Sorry you felt threatened.
This was just a humorous response to you saying that GA guys need AOA gauges, then retorting that Chuck only thinks he doesn't need one because he doesn't land on carriers.
It's just a joke, I looked up the carrier length and it is far longer than the ground roll of a 182. It would be a fun trick for somebody to do sometime.
Sorry you felt threatened.This was just a humorous response to you saying that GA guys need AOA gauges, then retorting that Chuck only thinks he doesn't need one because he doesn't land on carriers.
Now threatened is an interesting word for you to use. I promise doc that I do not lose any sleep over your feelings of the uselessness of an AoA gauge in general aviation cockpits.
Hetman - I don't think JNB was calling Doc names - but commenting on the reputation of Yeager.
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