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Coolbeans 03-26-2015 07:09 PM

Psych evaluations post-Germanwings crash
 
I know it is still early with regards to what happen with the accident in Europe but it is interesting hearing the talking heads wonder why pilots don't go through yearly psych evaluations. I don't know about you but I know a good many people who have not passed the delta or united test and they seem like pretty well adjusted people. Let's hope calm heads prevail.

Bozo the pilot 03-26-2015 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by Coolbeans (Post 1850592)
I know it is still early with regards to what happen with the accident in Europe but it is interesting hearing the talking heads wonder why pilots don't go through yearly psych evaluations. I don't know about you but I know a good many people who have not passed the delta or united test and they seem like pretty well adjusted people. Let's ho

Agreed. and Im tired of CNN et al talking about cameras in the cockpit. This guy just went Bats___t crazy:mad:

FaceBiter 03-26-2015 07:29 PM

I should email CNN about the hiring practices of a certain bottom feeder regional. They'd be able to get a week out of that saga.

Checkdawg 03-26-2015 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1850605)
I should email CNN about the hiring practices of a certain bottom feeder regional. They'd be able to get a week out of that saga.

Or you can mention your psycotic fascination with said regional.

FaceBiter 03-26-2015 07:38 PM

Too late. Already typing.

Salukipilot4590 03-26-2015 07:44 PM

Which regional, I'm curious.

citation35hf 03-26-2015 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1850605)
I should email CNN about the hiring practices of a certain bottom feeder regional. They'd be able to get a week out of that saga.

Worry about a bottom feeder?

If I remember correctly it was your beloved Skywest who had a pilot MURDER his GF run from the law then steal a SKYWEST plane and blow his brains out in the cockpit after attempting to fly it.....

FaceBiter 03-26-2015 07:48 PM

Remember when you told me I was going to get sued for talking out your favorite recruiter? ROTFLMAO.

Salukipilot4590 03-26-2015 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1850618)
Remember when you told me I was going to get sued for talking out your favorite recruiter? ROTFLMAO.

Still lost, who you talkin' about fam?

FaceBiter 03-26-2015 07:51 PM

Mesa. CNN is going crazy right now. Imagine if they knew about their hiring practices.

Rahlifer 03-26-2015 07:57 PM

The hiring practices at most regionals are sketchy at best. Anyone with an ATP and a pulse automatically qualifies. I'm sure there's gonna be some grandstanding politicians all over CNN bloviating on the matter soon enough.

FaceBiter 03-26-2015 08:01 PM

I hope they do.

Salukipilot4590 03-26-2015 08:18 PM

...so what would you like to do for pilots currently working FaceBiter?

NovemberBravo 03-26-2015 08:41 PM

You mean the same CNN that barely covered this guys 600hrs sure

FlyJSH 03-26-2015 09:30 PM

Don't forget the Colgan captain who had 4 TERA bytes of kiddy porn.

badflaps 03-26-2015 10:19 PM

Why doesn't somebody cover CNN's hiring practices?..... Jeez.

jrwit 03-26-2015 11:26 PM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1850605)
I should email CNN about the hiring practices of a certain bottom feeder regional. They'd be able to get a week out of that saga.

Bro.

You spend more time thinking about Mesa than JO does.

Go outside. Or like. Idk. Come grab a bev with Prior and I in IAH. Either way, just stop thinking bout us so much.

aviatorhi 03-27-2015 12:32 AM

Ahhhh, the hilarity of regional pilots at their most pathetic best. Thanks for the laugh.

rickair7777 03-27-2015 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1850623)
Mesa. CNN is going crazy right now. Imagine if they knew about their hiring practices.

Drop a dime, drop a dime. I'm too busy today but if someone with first hand experience told CNN I bet they'd run with it...

HercDriver130 03-27-2015 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by NovemberBravo (Post 1850646)
You mean the same CNN that barely covered this guys 600hrs sure

The fact that he only had 630 hours is irrelevant in this case... he wanted to kill himself and damage his airline and apparently had some sort of medical issue.....

His inexperience is a WHOLE other situation all together.

prex8390 03-27-2015 05:34 AM

CNN- "No regulations exist on hiring standards and most pilots are hired at budget hotel conference rooms or old office buildings near airports, with little to no mental screening and no doctors present, we go now to student pilot and aviation expert for more, take it away"

Whiplash6 03-27-2015 06:10 AM

"Let's put cameras in the cockpits" Anderson Cooper says.. Right, because a gopro in the flightdeck would have prevented this.

tom11011 03-27-2015 06:20 AM

It's interesting, not even a month ago this forum was debating single pilot cockpits being the wave of the future.

Now we have this-

"Lufthansa, together with other German airlines, has announced the immediate introduction of new rules for the cockpit. It will now be a requirement for there to be two authorized people in the cockpit at all times."

My guess is the future will have to be no humans in the cockpit or at least two, but never one.

Snickers 03-27-2015 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by Whiplash6 (Post 1850768)
"Let's put cameras in the cockpits" Anderson Cooper says.. Right, because a gopro in the flightdeck would have prevented this.

David Yanofsky's head just exploded after reading this.:D

eaglefly 03-27-2015 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by Coolbeans (Post 1850592)
I know it is still early with regards to what happen with the accident in Europe but it is interesting hearing the talking heads wonder why pilots don't go through yearly psych evaluations. I don't know about you but I know a good many people who have not passed the delta or united test and they seem like pretty well adjusted people. Let's hope calm heads prevail.

If the sleep apnea hysteria is any indication, calmer heads will be nowhere to be found. Media induced Hysteria rules our world now. :cool:

eaglefly 03-27-2015 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by aviatorhi (Post 1850677)
Ahhhh, the hilarity of regional pilots at their most pathetic best. Thanks for the laugh.

Lets face it.......pilots in general. :rolleyes:

Few professions are infected with such a wide range of personality disorders, neurosis, psychosis, paranoia, hysteria, extremism (political, social) and general oddness as airline pilots. If detailed psych exams ever become mandatory, I expect the pilot shortage to blossom. Not only will many present pilots be found "questionable" and therefore in jeopardy in what surely would be a poorly thought out vetting process like OSA, but it will keep many who would be found acceptable away as it's simply one more undesirable hassle to add to the already long list of why this profession isn't worth it.

JamesNoBrakes 03-27-2015 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1850776)
It's interesting, not even a month ago this forum was debating single pilot cockpits being the wave of the future.

Now we have this-

"Lufthansa, together with other German airlines, has announced the immediate introduction of new rules for the cockpit. It will now be a requirement for there to be two authorized people in the cockpit at all times."

My guess is the future will have to be no humans in the cockpit or at least two, but never one.

I think if its one, the "other pilot" could be on the ground via an uplink. Think about if a ground station could have taken "control" of the flight. Just something to ponder.

SayAlt 03-27-2015 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 1850658)
Why doesn't somebody cover CNN's hiring practices?..... Jeez.


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bedrock 03-27-2015 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1850811)
Lets face it.......pilots in general. :rolleyes:

Few professions are infected with such a wide range of personality disorders, neurosis, psychosis, paranoia, hysteria, extremism (political, social) and general oddness as airline pilots. If detailed psych exams ever become mandatory, I expect the pilot shortage to blossom. Not only will many present pilots be found "questionable" and therefore in jeopardy in what surely would be a poorly thought out vetting process like OSA, but it will keep many who would be found acceptable away as it's simply one more undesirable hassle to add to the already long list of why this profession isn't worth it.

The question is, were they that way before becoming pilots or did this industry do that to them?! I think a study of PTSD is in order.

qball 03-27-2015 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1850813)
I think if its one, the "other pilot" could be on the ground via an uplink. Think about if a ground station could have taken "control" of the flight. Just something to ponder.

Or...the guy at the ground station goes off the rails and flies it in to the ground. Keep this incident and the true threats in perspective.

aviatorhi 03-27-2015 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by qball (Post 1851013)
Or...the guy at the ground station goes off the rails and flies it in to the ground. Keep this incident and the true threats in perspective.

Just remember that the guy on the ground would be "managing" multiple flights, not just the one.

qball 03-27-2015 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by aviatorhi (Post 1851032)
Just remember that the guy on the ground would be "managing" multiple flights, not just the one.

And that solves this type of thing how?

tom11011 03-27-2015 12:14 PM

High speed trains with mag-levitation and vacuum tunnels is future of mass transit. About 100 years from now your children will be telling their grand kids all about how these weird tubes flew through the air.

aviatorhi 03-27-2015 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by qball (Post 1851045)
And that solves this type of thing how?

Since your IQ is below 12 let me explain it to you...

One man make many plane go bye bye.

andreas500 03-27-2015 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1850811)
Lets face it.......pilots in general. :rolleyes:

Few professions are infected with such a wide range of personality disorders, neurosis, psychosis, paranoia, hysteria, extremism (political, social) and general oddness as airline pilots.

Sorry to say, but I do not think airline pilots are particularly or uniquely skilled in the messed up department - pretty much every profession has it's statistical share of goof balls and screw-ups. Just that the media, and presumably the public, are disproportionately interested when things go wrong in aviation - and pilots are front and center, so to speak.

rickair7777 03-27-2015 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1851052)
High speed trains with mag-levitation and vacuum tunnels is future of mass transit. About 100 years from now your children will be telling their grand kids all about how these weird tubes flew through the air.


The science is sound, but the infrastructure costs will be beyond colossal...far beyond the ability of few tech billionaire angel investors to fund. So it will take massive investor coalitions and/or government sponsorship. And then it would have to be protected from terrorists...a train traveling at high hypersonic velocity colliding with a cinderblock would release energy equivalent to about 40lbs of HE. Still have to stand in line at TSA.

Probably more than 100 years.

qball 03-27-2015 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by aviatorhi (Post 1851055)
Since your IQ is below 12 let me explain it to you...

One man make many plane go bye bye.

Easy big guy. I misread what you were getting at. I agree. My IQ is actually 14.

Delmonico 03-28-2015 06:30 AM

Pilot medical confidentiality
 
I am not a pilot, nor do I work for an airline, but I am trying to get reliable information from a reliable source on this issue.

What level of medical confidentiality would everyone here be comfortable with, particularly concerning psychological issues? From what I have heard, a pilot who took the prudent action of seeking psychological counsel when they have difficulty dealing with some issue in their life, could be facing serious and possibly permanent career problems. Is this something that creates a barrier to those who might otherwise benefit from such counsel?

What are the present rules for airline pilots? Is it limited to general HIPPA confidentiality laws?

If someone is diagnosed with something that might impinge on their ability to work by a private doctor, is there a law that would require the doctor to inform the company flight surgeon? If not, should there be?

TexanDriver 03-28-2015 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Delmonico (Post 1851475)
I am not a pilot, nor do I work for an airline, but I am trying to get reliable information from a reliable source on this issue.

Don't talk to the media!

GogglesPisano 03-28-2015 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by Delmonico (Post 1851475)
I am not a pilot, nor do I work for an airline, but I am trying to get reliable information from a reliable source on this issue.

What level of medical confidentiality would everyone here be comfortable with, particularly concerning psychological issues? From what I have heard, a pilot who took the prudent action of seeking psychological counsel when they have difficulty dealing with some issue in their life, could be facing serious and possibly permanent career problems. Is this something that creates a barrier to those who might otherwise benefit from such counsel?

What are the present rules for airline pilots? Is it limited to general HIPPA confidentiality laws?

If someone is diagnosed with something that might impinge on their ability to work by a private doctor, is there a law that would require the doctor to inform the company flight surgeon? If not, should there be?

Are you a journalist?


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