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Old 06-01-2015 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Sometimes people tune out that gear horn if they're busy, common enough phenomenon. .
100% true.

Hearing is the first thing to go when you're stressed. Experienced it when giving an instrument check in a Navy DC-9:

VOR approach to YKM that has a course change near the bottom. CAVU day, no other traffic.

Him: Flaps 25. Gear horn starts wailing. Flaps 40.
Me: What?
Him: FLAPS 40!
Me: What?
Him: FLAPS 40!!
Me: I can't hear you over that horn. What's causing that?
Him: ####. Go around. Max power, Flaps 15. Positive rate, gear up.
Me: Good call.

Gear up passes...there are those that have and those that will.
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Old 06-01-2015 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
Passengers' terror as Singapore Airlines Airbus plunges 13,000 FEET as BOTH engines fail in bad weather off Hong Kong


The Airbus A330-300 was flying from Singapore to Shanghai on Saturday
  • Pilots followed 'operational procedures' to restore power to the engines
  • Plane landed safely in Shanghai and flew back to Singapore after a delay
  • Singapore Airlines said no ‘anomalies’ were detected in either engine
  • The carrier is investigating the incident with Rolls-Royce and Airbus
Had a talk with a retired GE engine guru yesterday, he seemed to think it was the 21st century version of carb ice.
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Old 06-02-2015 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by badflaps
Had a talk with a retired GE engine guru yesterday, he seemed to think it was the 21st century version of carb ice.
Similar situation to the 777 loss of engine power accident at Heathrow? Or something else?
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Old 06-02-2015 | 09:42 AM
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Frigid Heat: How Ice can Menace a Hot Engine | NASA

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Old 06-02-2015 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Flightcap
Similar situation to the 777 loss of engine power accident at Heathrow? Or something else?
The heathrow problem was fixed IIRC. That was cold-soaked fuel contaminated with water freezing in and blocking the fuel heat exchanger. They redesigned the HX to eliminate the feature at the entry which allowed ice to build up without getting melted. Also it's suspected that the fuel quality was poor to begin with, ie too much water content.

This new phenomenon is actual atmospheric ice sticking to hot engine parts in the core airflow. I'm not sure why they're just now figuring this out, it's been happening for a long term, presumably as far back as jets go. It's probably pretty rare.
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