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Quote: I certainly don't consider myself in a position to be picky, but I had to respectfully decline an interview offer. Training contract, out-of-pocket training hotel, and $48/hr. I could maybe swing 2 of those but not all 3 man...not all 3.

You did your homework! In the current environment where airlines are falling over themselves to improve pay, QOL, and retirement Sun Country still sits idle like we are in a recession... When classes dry up they might come to grips with reality.
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Quote: Any reason to leave a regional and forsake upgrading to go to SY? Is growth actually going to be big? Thoughts?
Do you live in MN? How close to upgrade are you? I was told st least 5 years to break 100K at SY, and that’s if you upgrade. They also currently have a training contract, which should tell you something about them. Probably a lateral move for you, if you’re at republic or endeavor you will take a pay cut.
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Quote: Do you live in MN? How close to upgrade are you? I was told st least 5 years to break 100K at SY, and that’s if you upgrade. They also currently have a training contract, which should tell you something about them. Probably a lateral move for you, if you’re at republic or endeavor you will take a pay cut.
5 years to break 100k?! No regional captain should make the jump then.

Is the pay really that bad at SY?
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Quote: 5 years to break 100k?! No regional captain should make the jump then.

Is the pay really that bad at SY?
Yep, there's a low res infographic that has been circulating which is rather comical.

Propaganda numbers: *earning potential*...

*1st year FO - $61,709
*2nd year FO - $123,800
*3rd year CA - $176,009

The real numbers look more like:

*1st year FO ($48 an hour)*75 hour guarantee - $43,200
*2nd year FO ($71 an hour)*70 hour guarantee - $59,640
*3rd year CA ($114 an hour)*70 hour guarantee - $95,760

I think they might want to invest in some higher end calculators...

The real numbers mind any prospective applicant are gross pay values so you'd likely be taking home significantly less.
You'd also be on a training contract for your first 18 months.
Also your 1st year FO & 3rd year CA time would be partially if not entirely on reserve so - 10 days off a month, blocked from picking up any opentime, 2 hour call out, AM reserve starts at 3 a.m.

Welcome to Sun Country! (or whatever the name will be on Sept. 19th)
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Sorry if it's been covered. How is the health cover at SY? Can anyone post rough costs for family cover please?
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Quote: 5 years to break 100k?! No regional captain should make the jump then.

Is the pay really that bad at SY?
Just look at the pay rates on this site. I have a few friends at SY, and the consensus was 5 years to break 100k.
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You’ll be over 100k in three years.
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Quote: You’ll be over 100k in three years.
That's the same at the regionals.
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Quote: Welcome to Sun Country! (or whatever the name will be on Sept. 19th)



What happens on the 19th?
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With the raise in November it looks to be true that a 3rd year CA will make right at $100k on reserve, for years, with 10 days off per month. That is why so many have made the jump to Southwest. Within the first year you can be holding blank lines with 18 days off and make what a 3rd year captain makes at Sunny. Lots of good guys still at SC and I wish the best to them
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