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09-09-2018, 01:24 PM
#1087
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 307
Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
I meant if it’s good compared to others out there lol
09-09-2018, 02:54 PM
#1088
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 47
Originally Posted by woutlaw
In the last award the most junior CA was 2 years, 1 month IIRC. I started upgrade class after 2 years, 3 months and 8 days.
First year pay is $48/hr, 2nd year FO is currently $71.88 but that goes to $76.19 Nov. 1 and $82.29 Nov. 1, 2019. 14-year FO pay maxes out at $135.10 at the end of the contract.
3rd year CA is $113.73, going to $120.54 Nov. 1 and $130.18 by the time anyone reading this not already hired would get there. 14-year CA pay here tops out at $201.64 at the end of the current contract.
There is still the $20,000 training contract, pro-rated over 18 months. I've had probably a dozen folks I know personally leave before their 18 months was up and the contract didn't stop them from taking jobs at Southwest, Delta, FedEx and United, but YMMV.
Schedules are a mixed bag. I live in base and am back on reserve, so I don't even bother bidding. I'll be getting 10 or 11 days off no matter what, and which 10 or 11 doesn't matter to me.
My last schedule as an FO, just over 2 years seniority, was in April and had 19 days off and one overnight. Granted, I was working every weekend, but... 19 days off.
It didn't take long off of reserve to hold lines with 15-16 days off, but again i'm not picky about my days off. There were also months where I wound up with 12 days off, 72 hours and a bunch of overnights. It just varies.
We do red eyes and there are typically a few pure red eye lines and then it's not uncommon to see a red eye or two sprinkled in among several of the "regular" lines as well.
We do a lot of charter work. This summer we did an incredible amount of charters. Some of the trips were super easy, day flying, some were midnight or 1 a.m. shows, all backside of the clock flying. It's not unusual on reserve to do a fair amount of charter trips.
The multi-day trips we have tend to start early and end late, which isn't great for commuters. There are exceptions, for sure, but hopefully we start seeing more commuter-friendly lines.
There have been no proposals (yet) for temporary basing. Management and ALPA have met once to get the ball rolling on mid-contract talks, but there have been no specific proposals, at least as of today.
TDY has been floated by management when they've been talking to pilots in recurrent, etc..., as has pref bidding, automated trip trades and a bunch of other stuff but your guess is as good as mine when it comes to what they'll formally propose and what they'd be willing to give for it.
Most folks coming from regionals are leaving better contracts in regards to earning soft-time, min days off and some other key work rules. We're about 18 months out from the contract becoming amendable.
The last growth plan I heard was 9 more airplanes in 2019 and another 9 in 2020. Overall the plan is to get to 50-55 and I think we're right around 25-27 full-time airframes right now. (We typically lease around 3-5 airplanes during the winter months to handle peak demand.)
Of those new (to us) airframes we'll own some of them outright, which we've never done before. We're also buying a spare engine, which we've never done before.
We are doing more and more flying that doesn't touch MSP, which again is something fairly new for us. PDX, BNA, STL were all recently announced and the bulk of that flying is seasonal, but in and out of those cities without going through MSP.
We have done something similar out of DFW in the summer for the past few years and a typical pattern there is to do MSP-DFW, then spend three days doing turns out of DFW to Mexico, then do DFW-MSP on the last day, either operating it or as a deadhead. I have no idea if the new cities will be in similar pattern or not.
We farmed out our ground handling at MSP this spring and I don't think anyone would say that it went well. We're moving to DGS for ground handling soon, if we haven't already.
I don't know if all of the above is "good" or "bad." I tried to keep it as neutral as possible. I wish I had a magic bullet answer for everyone thinking about coming here but I don't.
Some folks love it here, some hate it and some are on the fence.
I made the decision to come here because it felt right for me at the time. Until I retire, either from here or from someplace else, i really won't know if it was a good decision or not.
Anyway, hope that helps.
Will
First year pay is $48/hr, 2nd year FO is currently $71.88 but that goes to $76.19 Nov. 1 and $82.29 Nov. 1, 2019. 14-year FO pay maxes out at $135.10 at the end of the contract.
3rd year CA is $113.73, going to $120.54 Nov. 1 and $130.18 by the time anyone reading this not already hired would get there. 14-year CA pay here tops out at $201.64 at the end of the current contract.
There is still the $20,000 training contract, pro-rated over 18 months. I've had probably a dozen folks I know personally leave before their 18 months was up and the contract didn't stop them from taking jobs at Southwest, Delta, FedEx and United, but YMMV.
Schedules are a mixed bag. I live in base and am back on reserve, so I don't even bother bidding. I'll be getting 10 or 11 days off no matter what, and which 10 or 11 doesn't matter to me.
My last schedule as an FO, just over 2 years seniority, was in April and had 19 days off and one overnight. Granted, I was working every weekend, but... 19 days off.
It didn't take long off of reserve to hold lines with 15-16 days off, but again i'm not picky about my days off. There were also months where I wound up with 12 days off, 72 hours and a bunch of overnights. It just varies.
We do red eyes and there are typically a few pure red eye lines and then it's not uncommon to see a red eye or two sprinkled in among several of the "regular" lines as well.
We do a lot of charter work. This summer we did an incredible amount of charters. Some of the trips were super easy, day flying, some were midnight or 1 a.m. shows, all backside of the clock flying. It's not unusual on reserve to do a fair amount of charter trips.
The multi-day trips we have tend to start early and end late, which isn't great for commuters. There are exceptions, for sure, but hopefully we start seeing more commuter-friendly lines.
There have been no proposals (yet) for temporary basing. Management and ALPA have met once to get the ball rolling on mid-contract talks, but there have been no specific proposals, at least as of today.
TDY has been floated by management when they've been talking to pilots in recurrent, etc..., as has pref bidding, automated trip trades and a bunch of other stuff but your guess is as good as mine when it comes to what they'll formally propose and what they'd be willing to give for it.
Most folks coming from regionals are leaving better contracts in regards to earning soft-time, min days off and some other key work rules. We're about 18 months out from the contract becoming amendable.
The last growth plan I heard was 9 more airplanes in 2019 and another 9 in 2020. Overall the plan is to get to 50-55 and I think we're right around 25-27 full-time airframes right now. (We typically lease around 3-5 airplanes during the winter months to handle peak demand.)
Of those new (to us) airframes we'll own some of them outright, which we've never done before. We're also buying a spare engine, which we've never done before.
We are doing more and more flying that doesn't touch MSP, which again is something fairly new for us. PDX, BNA, STL were all recently announced and the bulk of that flying is seasonal, but in and out of those cities without going through MSP.
We have done something similar out of DFW in the summer for the past few years and a typical pattern there is to do MSP-DFW, then spend three days doing turns out of DFW to Mexico, then do DFW-MSP on the last day, either operating it or as a deadhead. I have no idea if the new cities will be in similar pattern or not.
We farmed out our ground handling at MSP this spring and I don't think anyone would say that it went well. We're moving to DGS for ground handling soon, if we haven't already.
I don't know if all of the above is "good" or "bad." I tried to keep it as neutral as possible. I wish I had a magic bullet answer for everyone thinking about coming here but I don't.
Some folks love it here, some hate it and some are on the fence.
I made the decision to come here because it felt right for me at the time. Until I retire, either from here or from someplace else, i really won't know if it was a good decision or not.
Anyway, hope that helps.
Will
09-10-2018, 06:24 AM
#1089
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,941
Originally Posted by Viking6
4% is very low for B fund. I think Southwest gives 14% starting in 2019. SY is the lowest paid 737 operater out there, so I wouldn’t expect much more then 4%.
SWA is at 14.2% for 2018 and goes to 15% Jan 1 2019. 16% is where the bar is...
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