Sun Country
10-24-2018, 06:25 PM
#1181
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 100
Originally Posted by Mciflyboy
Apologize if this is answered already but...
What is training pay at Sun Country. In my offer letter it stated $48 per hour. I’m assuming that is at min guarentee even if we are spending 8 hours a day in ground school?
How soon can I expect a paycheck and on what dates are we paid? Is it going to take a few weeks to see any paychecks ?
What is training pay at Sun Country. In my offer letter it stated $48 per hour. I’m assuming that is at min guarentee even if we are spending 8 hours a day in ground school?
How soon can I expect a paycheck and on what dates are we paid? Is it going to take a few weeks to see any paychecks ?
10-24-2018, 09:39 PM
#1182
On Reserve
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 10
Originally Posted by Mciflyboy
Apologize if this is answered already but...
What is training pay at Sun Country. In my offer letter it stated $48 per hour. I’m assuming that is at min guarentee even if we are spending 8 hours a day in ground school?
How soon can I expect a paycheck and on what dates are we paid? Is it going to take a few weeks to see any paychecks ?
What is training pay at Sun Country. In my offer letter it stated $48 per hour. I’m assuming that is at min guarentee even if we are spending 8 hours a day in ground school?
How soon can I expect a paycheck and on what dates are we paid? Is it going to take a few weeks to see any paychecks ?
The Next 7th paycheck will be prorated for any days not works the first week, i.e. if you started on the 2nd you will be prorated one day on the SECOND 7th pay day
11-03-2018, 10:51 AM
#1184
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2018
Posts: 39
Facts, opinion and rumor
Ok. Long time lurker first time poster. I feel the need to get somethings out there for parties interested in SCA for whatever reason. I will first state facts about SCA and then at the end I will address some recent rumors. This again is just to give you a flavor of what it’s like here at SCA. I have between 20-25 years at SCA, I’m a Captain considered to be senior, but not super senior, so keep that in mind. I’ve seen a lot here at SCA.
FACTS
PAY:
Pay is 70 hours after your first year. First year is at 75 hours. Pay rates are well known and stated accurately here. Anything above 75 hours is paid at a premium pay of time and a half or 1.5 of your current rate. Your pay periods are paid out on the 7th and 22nd of every month. The 7th paycheck is 32.5 or 37.5 depending on if you’ve been here a year or not plus any overage you flew to break guarantee plus per diem. The 22nd paycheck is straight 37.5, it never changes. Profit sharing is at company discretion, we used to have it but now it’s company’s decision. We have not seen a profit sharing check since it became discretionary, that’s not opinion, that’s fact. We do get a quarterly bonus if our department reaches it’s quarterly goal. Each time we reach it it’s a 25 dollar bonus. We have reached the goal every time since implementation, so I have gotten an extra 25 dollars every quarter.
TRAINING CONTRACT:
Yes we have one and it’s been talked about here enough. It’s 18 months at 20K and pro rated down each month until you reach the 18 month off the hook mark. I believe we are one of the few that still has one. Not sure about other airlines.
VACATION:
Tops out at 4 weeks or 30 days. Takes 14 years to top out. Accrued rate is 1.25 days per month up to year 9, then 1.83 per month up to year 14 and then 2.5 per month after year 14. Vacation is tricky here. You can make money if you are savvy, but you won’t get a true vacation. If you want the time off you will likely be at guarantee for the month. A senior captain when I was growing up stated it best; you either get paid or you get vacation you don’t get both, you don’t get a paid vacation. Often times you’ll lose money and be scrambling to make up time. That might be a little opinion seeping in, but still real world info. You will never see a Christmas vacation. I’m here 20+ years and have never seen a Christmas vacation. Thanksgiving I have seen, Christmas no. Vacation is bid out by the most senior in entirety and then goes down the seniority list. It’s not a rotating bid. Heavily weighted to the senior.
GUARANTEE/MONTHLY SCHEDULE:
It’s been touched on in pay section, but wait there is more. Our guarantee is 70 hours and if you are on reserve or junior you won’t see much above guarantee. You will do better for 2-3 months out of the year Jan. Feb. and March. March will be the highest month, it’s the only time the company flexes up and schedules are built to 90-95 hours. Most other months lines are built to 70 hours. Contract states lines should be built to 75, but they seldom and consistently are not built to 75. They are built to 70 or below. I’m senior and can pick up open time which is still scewed to the senior, so I do okay. However, even at my seniority level I have had months where I could not pick anything up and was at 70 hours for the month. You have to work the system very hard to make money and pick up time. Trip trading is almost non existent and schedules are very difficult to massage. What you get for the month is likely what you’ll fly, unless you are willing to drop trips for more flexibility and lose money by falling below guarantee.
TRAINING:
When you come to training some facts are; you’re paid 75 hours, not 70. You will have to find living arrangements. SCA does not provide hotel in training. Again, we have a 18 month training contract pro rated down from 20,000 each month. Yearly recurrent ground school is paid at 2.5 hours per day and is dropped into one of your scheduled days off. Sims are the same, they are dropped into your schedule on your off days and paid out at 2.5 hours per day. We also have home study modules that take up to 4 hours to complete paid at 1.25 hours and we are required to complete between 4-6 per year. AQP as stated before on this site is new to the company. I will be doing only my second AQP event in the coming months. I have only done one AQP event, so I can’t comment too much.
RESERVE:
10 days off on reserve. Block of 4 are unmovable. Blocks of 2 are moveable by the company only and then you choose where to move them if they have used you on that moveable day. Reserve days are split up into AM, PM and red eye reserve periods. Most reserve lines are not built with any weekends off. Most of reserve is doable on the slow months, they may use you 1 or 2 times a week. In the busy winter season all bets are off and reserve can become difficult. You might break guarantee on reserve maybe 1 or 2 months out of the year. Plan on 70 hours consistently on reserve. Again lines alone are not built above 70 hours consistently. Sounds like opinion, but again that’s just fact.
401K:
We have one thru Fidelity. We have a 6% match. Fully vested in year 3. Year 1 is 30% vested and year 2 is 60% vested.
COMMUTING: We have a very shaky commuter clause in our contract. If you get into difficulty the company is not too accommodating. You will have to prove and defend your commute and from my understanding it’s not a fun discussion. Lines are not commuter friendly. Remember the history of SCA is MSP. They’ve never had to make this airline commuter friendly and they don’t.
HOT TOPICS:
Uber/lyft - Company has started using and it is not addressed in our contract. ALPA is concerned about safety and security of crews and the differences of insurance coverages if something happens. Ongoing grievance.
Hotels - We are supposed to have long layover and short layover hotels. The company rarely distinguishes between the two. Hotels are suppose to be around amenities and company says its hard to find hotels that match ALPAs criteria. Ongoing grievance.
Crew meals - Company meets the requirements here. Problem is it is the same exact meal daily. You will be eating the same meal on every flight and you will rarely be able to get something on your own because of quick turn times. Ongoing grievance.
OPINION/RUMORS:
The company seems to be slowing projected growth. Hiring and upgrades will only be for attrition going forward until July 2019, so quick upgrades may be a thing of the past. Managers have been asked to look at their departments and make cuts. Current ground school was supposed to have 12 and only 6 showed up. December has seen 3 interviews and HR is having difficulty finding quality applicants. We are averaging about 4-6 resignations per month and that has seemed to have slowed lately. However, look for attrition to pick up with the announcement of new bases. New bases are on the horizon, but not known where they will be. ALPA and the Company were in talks for relief. Those talks broke down after just 2 days and nothing is scheduled for future negotiations as far as bases, relief and compensation for said relief. Also, company has just asked for leaves for the month of December for both Captains and First Officers. I think this is a first for December. We usually see voluntary leaves for our slow months but not for our busy months which December has been historically.
Don’t believe company propaganda on coming here and their compensation projections. They are not accurate. A good gouge is to take pay rate times 1000 and that’s what you’ll make for the year. Example. I make 186 an hour times 1000. 186k a year give or take excluding 401k match for a 20+ year Captain.
Good luck to all and get informed before you make the leap.
FACTS
PAY:
Pay is 70 hours after your first year. First year is at 75 hours. Pay rates are well known and stated accurately here. Anything above 75 hours is paid at a premium pay of time and a half or 1.5 of your current rate. Your pay periods are paid out on the 7th and 22nd of every month. The 7th paycheck is 32.5 or 37.5 depending on if you’ve been here a year or not plus any overage you flew to break guarantee plus per diem. The 22nd paycheck is straight 37.5, it never changes. Profit sharing is at company discretion, we used to have it but now it’s company’s decision. We have not seen a profit sharing check since it became discretionary, that’s not opinion, that’s fact. We do get a quarterly bonus if our department reaches it’s quarterly goal. Each time we reach it it’s a 25 dollar bonus. We have reached the goal every time since implementation, so I have gotten an extra 25 dollars every quarter.
TRAINING CONTRACT:
Yes we have one and it’s been talked about here enough. It’s 18 months at 20K and pro rated down each month until you reach the 18 month off the hook mark. I believe we are one of the few that still has one. Not sure about other airlines.
VACATION:
Tops out at 4 weeks or 30 days. Takes 14 years to top out. Accrued rate is 1.25 days per month up to year 9, then 1.83 per month up to year 14 and then 2.5 per month after year 14. Vacation is tricky here. You can make money if you are savvy, but you won’t get a true vacation. If you want the time off you will likely be at guarantee for the month. A senior captain when I was growing up stated it best; you either get paid or you get vacation you don’t get both, you don’t get a paid vacation. Often times you’ll lose money and be scrambling to make up time. That might be a little opinion seeping in, but still real world info. You will never see a Christmas vacation. I’m here 20+ years and have never seen a Christmas vacation. Thanksgiving I have seen, Christmas no. Vacation is bid out by the most senior in entirety and then goes down the seniority list. It’s not a rotating bid. Heavily weighted to the senior.
GUARANTEE/MONTHLY SCHEDULE:
It’s been touched on in pay section, but wait there is more. Our guarantee is 70 hours and if you are on reserve or junior you won’t see much above guarantee. You will do better for 2-3 months out of the year Jan. Feb. and March. March will be the highest month, it’s the only time the company flexes up and schedules are built to 90-95 hours. Most other months lines are built to 70 hours. Contract states lines should be built to 75, but they seldom and consistently are not built to 75. They are built to 70 or below. I’m senior and can pick up open time which is still scewed to the senior, so I do okay. However, even at my seniority level I have had months where I could not pick anything up and was at 70 hours for the month. You have to work the system very hard to make money and pick up time. Trip trading is almost non existent and schedules are very difficult to massage. What you get for the month is likely what you’ll fly, unless you are willing to drop trips for more flexibility and lose money by falling below guarantee.
TRAINING:
When you come to training some facts are; you’re paid 75 hours, not 70. You will have to find living arrangements. SCA does not provide hotel in training. Again, we have a 18 month training contract pro rated down from 20,000 each month. Yearly recurrent ground school is paid at 2.5 hours per day and is dropped into one of your scheduled days off. Sims are the same, they are dropped into your schedule on your off days and paid out at 2.5 hours per day. We also have home study modules that take up to 4 hours to complete paid at 1.25 hours and we are required to complete between 4-6 per year. AQP as stated before on this site is new to the company. I will be doing only my second AQP event in the coming months. I have only done one AQP event, so I can’t comment too much.
RESERVE:
10 days off on reserve. Block of 4 are unmovable. Blocks of 2 are moveable by the company only and then you choose where to move them if they have used you on that moveable day. Reserve days are split up into AM, PM and red eye reserve periods. Most reserve lines are not built with any weekends off. Most of reserve is doable on the slow months, they may use you 1 or 2 times a week. In the busy winter season all bets are off and reserve can become difficult. You might break guarantee on reserve maybe 1 or 2 months out of the year. Plan on 70 hours consistently on reserve. Again lines alone are not built above 70 hours consistently. Sounds like opinion, but again that’s just fact.
401K:
We have one thru Fidelity. We have a 6% match. Fully vested in year 3. Year 1 is 30% vested and year 2 is 60% vested.
COMMUTING: We have a very shaky commuter clause in our contract. If you get into difficulty the company is not too accommodating. You will have to prove and defend your commute and from my understanding it’s not a fun discussion. Lines are not commuter friendly. Remember the history of SCA is MSP. They’ve never had to make this airline commuter friendly and they don’t.
HOT TOPICS:
Uber/lyft - Company has started using and it is not addressed in our contract. ALPA is concerned about safety and security of crews and the differences of insurance coverages if something happens. Ongoing grievance.
Hotels - We are supposed to have long layover and short layover hotels. The company rarely distinguishes between the two. Hotels are suppose to be around amenities and company says its hard to find hotels that match ALPAs criteria. Ongoing grievance.
Crew meals - Company meets the requirements here. Problem is it is the same exact meal daily. You will be eating the same meal on every flight and you will rarely be able to get something on your own because of quick turn times. Ongoing grievance.
OPINION/RUMORS:
The company seems to be slowing projected growth. Hiring and upgrades will only be for attrition going forward until July 2019, so quick upgrades may be a thing of the past. Managers have been asked to look at their departments and make cuts. Current ground school was supposed to have 12 and only 6 showed up. December has seen 3 interviews and HR is having difficulty finding quality applicants. We are averaging about 4-6 resignations per month and that has seemed to have slowed lately. However, look for attrition to pick up with the announcement of new bases. New bases are on the horizon, but not known where they will be. ALPA and the Company were in talks for relief. Those talks broke down after just 2 days and nothing is scheduled for future negotiations as far as bases, relief and compensation for said relief. Also, company has just asked for leaves for the month of December for both Captains and First Officers. I think this is a first for December. We usually see voluntary leaves for our slow months but not for our busy months which December has been historically.
Don’t believe company propaganda on coming here and their compensation projections. They are not accurate. A good gouge is to take pay rate times 1000 and that’s what you’ll make for the year. Example. I make 186 an hour times 1000. 186k a year give or take excluding 401k match for a 20+ year Captain.
Good luck to all and get informed before you make the leap.
Last edited by sca fact rumor; 11-03-2018 at 11:16 AM.
11-03-2018, 05:24 PM
#1187
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: B-737
Posts: 697
Originally Posted by sca fact rumor
Not even that anymore. Junior guys won’t hold MSP with them opening up new bases.
From the sounds of it Frontier is now a few weeks away from a TA. This airline will once again be at the bottom of the industry and it will be a battle for a new contract with the Manhattan Mafia. (Apollo)
I could not recommend this place to a new hire. Beware please!
11-03-2018, 06:54 PM
#1188
New Hire
Joined APC: Nov 2018
Posts: 3
Originally Posted by sca fact rumor
Ok. Long time lurker first time poster. I feel the need to get somethings out there for parties interested in SCA for whatever reason. I will first state facts about SCA and then at the end I will address some recent rumors. This again is just to give you a flavor of what it’s like here at SCA. I have between 20-25 years at SCA, I’m a Captain considered to be senior, but not super senior, so keep that in mind. I’ve seen a lot here at SCA.
FACTS
PAY:
Pay is 70 hours after your first year. First year is at 75 hours. Pay rates are well known and stated accurately here. Anything above 75 hours is paid at a premium pay of time and a half or 1.5 of your current rate. Your pay periods are paid out on the 7th and 22nd of every month. The 7th paycheck is 32.5 or 37.5 depending on if you’ve been here a year or not plus any overage you flew to break guarantee plus per diem. The 22nd paycheck is straight 37.5, it never changes. Profit sharing is at company discretion, we used to have it but now it’s company’s decision. We have not seen a profit sharing check since it became discretionary, that’s not opinion, that’s fact. We do get a quarterly bonus if our department reaches it’s quarterly goal. Each time we reach it it’s a 25 dollar bonus. We have reached the goal every time since implementation, so I have gotten an extra 25 dollars every quarter.
TRAINING CONTRACT:
Yes we have one and it’s been talked about here enough. It’s 18 months at 20K and pro rated down each month until you reach the 18 month off the hook mark. I believe we are one of the few that still has one. Not sure about other airlines.
VACATION:
Tops out at 4 weeks or 30 days. Takes 14 years to top out. Accrued rate is 1.25 days per month up to year 9, then 1.83 per month up to year 14 and then 2.5 per month after year 14. Vacation is tricky here. You can make money if you are savvy, but you won’t get a true vacation. If you want the time off you will likely be at guarantee for the month. A senior captain when I was growing up stated it best; you either get paid or you get vacation you don’t get both, you don’t get a paid vacation. Often times you’ll lose money and be scrambling to make up time. That might be a little opinion seeping in, but still real world info. You will never see a Christmas vacation. I’m here 20+ years and have never seen a Christmas vacation. Thanksgiving I have seen, Christmas no. Vacation is bid out by the most senior in entirety and then goes down the seniority list. It’s not a rotating bid. Heavily weighted to the senior.
GUARANTEE/MONTHLY SCHEDULE:
It’s been touched on in pay section, but wait there is more. Our guarantee is 70 hours and if you are on reserve or junior you won’t see much above guarantee. You will do better for 2-3 months out of the year Jan. Feb. and March. March will be the highest month, it’s the only time the company flexes up and schedules are built to 90-95 hours. Most other months lines are built to 70 hours. Contract states lines should be built to 75, but they seldom and consistently are not built to 75. They are built to 70 or below. I’m senior and can pick up open time which is still scewed to the senior, so I do okay. However, even at my seniority level I have had months where I could not pick anything up and was at 70 hours for the month. You have to work the system very hard to make money and pick up time. Trip trading is almost non existent and schedules are very difficult to massage. What you get for the month is likely what you’ll fly, unless you are willing to drop trips for more flexibility and lose money by falling below guarantee.
TRAINING:
When you come to training some facts are; you’re paid 75 hours, not 70. You will have to find living arrangements. SCA does not provide hotel in training. Again, we have a 18 month training contract pro rated down from 20,000 each month. Yearly recurrent ground school is paid at 2.5 hours per day and is dropped into one of your scheduled days off. Sims are the same, they are dropped into your schedule on your off days and paid out at 2.5 hours per day. We also have home study modules that take up to 4 hours to complete paid at 1.25 hours and we are required to complete between 4-6 per year. AQP as stated before on this site is new to the company. I will be doing only my second AQP event in the coming months. I have only done one AQP event, so I can’t comment too much.
RESERVE:
10 days off on reserve. Block of 4 are unmovable. Blocks of 2 are moveable by the company only and then you choose where to move them if they have used you on that moveable day. Reserve days are split up into AM, PM and red eye reserve periods. Most reserve lines are not built with any weekends off. Most of reserve is doable on the slow months, they may use you 1 or 2 times a week. In the busy winter season all bets are off and reserve can become difficult. You might break guarantee on reserve maybe 1 or 2 months out of the year. Plan on 70 hours consistently on reserve. Again lines alone are not built above 70 hours consistently. Sounds like opinion, but again that’s just fact.
401K:
We have one thru Fidelity. We have a 6% match. Fully vested in year 3. Year 1 is 30% vested and year 2 is 60% vested.
COMMUTING: We have a very shaky commuter clause in our contract. If you get into difficulty the company is not too accommodating. You will have to prove and defend your commute and from my understanding it’s not a fun discussion. Lines are not commuter friendly. Remember the history of SCA is MSP. They’ve never had to make this airline commuter friendly and they don’t.
HOT TOPICS:
Uber/lyft - Company has started using and it is not addressed in our contract. ALPA is concerned about safety and security of crews and the differences of insurance coverages if something happens. Ongoing grievance.
Hotels - We are supposed to have long layover and short layover hotels. The company rarely distinguishes between the two. Hotels are suppose to be around amenities and company says its hard to find hotels that match ALPAs criteria. Ongoing grievance.
Crew meals - Company meets the requirements here. Problem is it is the same exact meal daily. You will be eating the same meal on every flight and you will rarely be able to get something on your own because of quick turn times. Ongoing grievance.
OPINION/RUMORS:
The company seems to be slowing projected growth. Hiring and upgrades will only be for attrition going forward until July 2019, so quick upgrades may be a thing of the past. Managers have been asked to look at their departments and make cuts. Current ground school was supposed to have 12 and only 6 showed up. December has seen 3 interviews and HR is having difficulty finding quality applicants. We are averaging about 4-6 resignations per month and that has seemed to have slowed lately. However, look for attrition to pick up with the announcement of new bases. New bases are on the horizon, but not known where they will be. ALPA and the Company were in talks for relief. Those talks broke down after just 2 days and nothing is scheduled for future negotiations as far as bases, relief and compensation for said relief. Also, company has just asked for leaves for the month of December for both Captains and First Officers. I think this is a first for December. We usually see voluntary leaves for our slow months but not for our busy months which December has been historically.
Don’t believe company propaganda on coming here and their compensation projections. They are not accurate. A good gouge is to take pay rate times 1000 and that’s what you’ll make for the year. Example. I make 186 an hour times 1000. 186k a year give or take excluding 401k match for a 20+ year Captain.
Good luck to all and get informed before you make the leap.
FACTS
PAY:
Pay is 70 hours after your first year. First year is at 75 hours. Pay rates are well known and stated accurately here. Anything above 75 hours is paid at a premium pay of time and a half or 1.5 of your current rate. Your pay periods are paid out on the 7th and 22nd of every month. The 7th paycheck is 32.5 or 37.5 depending on if you’ve been here a year or not plus any overage you flew to break guarantee plus per diem. The 22nd paycheck is straight 37.5, it never changes. Profit sharing is at company discretion, we used to have it but now it’s company’s decision. We have not seen a profit sharing check since it became discretionary, that’s not opinion, that’s fact. We do get a quarterly bonus if our department reaches it’s quarterly goal. Each time we reach it it’s a 25 dollar bonus. We have reached the goal every time since implementation, so I have gotten an extra 25 dollars every quarter.
TRAINING CONTRACT:
Yes we have one and it’s been talked about here enough. It’s 18 months at 20K and pro rated down each month until you reach the 18 month off the hook mark. I believe we are one of the few that still has one. Not sure about other airlines.
VACATION:
Tops out at 4 weeks or 30 days. Takes 14 years to top out. Accrued rate is 1.25 days per month up to year 9, then 1.83 per month up to year 14 and then 2.5 per month after year 14. Vacation is tricky here. You can make money if you are savvy, but you won’t get a true vacation. If you want the time off you will likely be at guarantee for the month. A senior captain when I was growing up stated it best; you either get paid or you get vacation you don’t get both, you don’t get a paid vacation. Often times you’ll lose money and be scrambling to make up time. That might be a little opinion seeping in, but still real world info. You will never see a Christmas vacation. I’m here 20+ years and have never seen a Christmas vacation. Thanksgiving I have seen, Christmas no. Vacation is bid out by the most senior in entirety and then goes down the seniority list. It’s not a rotating bid. Heavily weighted to the senior.
GUARANTEE/MONTHLY SCHEDULE:
It’s been touched on in pay section, but wait there is more. Our guarantee is 70 hours and if you are on reserve or junior you won’t see much above guarantee. You will do better for 2-3 months out of the year Jan. Feb. and March. March will be the highest month, it’s the only time the company flexes up and schedules are built to 90-95 hours. Most other months lines are built to 70 hours. Contract states lines should be built to 75, but they seldom and consistently are not built to 75. They are built to 70 or below. I’m senior and can pick up open time which is still scewed to the senior, so I do okay. However, even at my seniority level I have had months where I could not pick anything up and was at 70 hours for the month. You have to work the system very hard to make money and pick up time. Trip trading is almost non existent and schedules are very difficult to massage. What you get for the month is likely what you’ll fly, unless you are willing to drop trips for more flexibility and lose money by falling below guarantee.
TRAINING:
When you come to training some facts are; you’re paid 75 hours, not 70. You will have to find living arrangements. SCA does not provide hotel in training. Again, we have a 18 month training contract pro rated down from 20,000 each month. Yearly recurrent ground school is paid at 2.5 hours per day and is dropped into one of your scheduled days off. Sims are the same, they are dropped into your schedule on your off days and paid out at 2.5 hours per day. We also have home study modules that take up to 4 hours to complete paid at 1.25 hours and we are required to complete between 4-6 per year. AQP as stated before on this site is new to the company. I will be doing only my second AQP event in the coming months. I have only done one AQP event, so I can’t comment too much.
RESERVE:
10 days off on reserve. Block of 4 are unmovable. Blocks of 2 are moveable by the company only and then you choose where to move them if they have used you on that moveable day. Reserve days are split up into AM, PM and red eye reserve periods. Most reserve lines are not built with any weekends off. Most of reserve is doable on the slow months, they may use you 1 or 2 times a week. In the busy winter season all bets are off and reserve can become difficult. You might break guarantee on reserve maybe 1 or 2 months out of the year. Plan on 70 hours consistently on reserve. Again lines alone are not built above 70 hours consistently. Sounds like opinion, but again that’s just fact.
401K:
We have one thru Fidelity. We have a 6% match. Fully vested in year 3. Year 1 is 30% vested and year 2 is 60% vested.
COMMUTING: We have a very shaky commuter clause in our contract. If you get into difficulty the company is not too accommodating. You will have to prove and defend your commute and from my understanding it’s not a fun discussion. Lines are not commuter friendly. Remember the history of SCA is MSP. They’ve never had to make this airline commuter friendly and they don’t.
HOT TOPICS:
Uber/lyft - Company has started using and it is not addressed in our contract. ALPA is concerned about safety and security of crews and the differences of insurance coverages if something happens. Ongoing grievance.
Hotels - We are supposed to have long layover and short layover hotels. The company rarely distinguishes between the two. Hotels are suppose to be around amenities and company says its hard to find hotels that match ALPAs criteria. Ongoing grievance.
Crew meals - Company meets the requirements here. Problem is it is the same exact meal daily. You will be eating the same meal on every flight and you will rarely be able to get something on your own because of quick turn times. Ongoing grievance.
OPINION/RUMORS:
The company seems to be slowing projected growth. Hiring and upgrades will only be for attrition going forward until July 2019, so quick upgrades may be a thing of the past. Managers have been asked to look at their departments and make cuts. Current ground school was supposed to have 12 and only 6 showed up. December has seen 3 interviews and HR is having difficulty finding quality applicants. We are averaging about 4-6 resignations per month and that has seemed to have slowed lately. However, look for attrition to pick up with the announcement of new bases. New bases are on the horizon, but not known where they will be. ALPA and the Company were in talks for relief. Those talks broke down after just 2 days and nothing is scheduled for future negotiations as far as bases, relief and compensation for said relief. Also, company has just asked for leaves for the month of December for both Captains and First Officers. I think this is a first for December. We usually see voluntary leaves for our slow months but not for our busy months which December has been historically.
Don’t believe company propaganda on coming here and their compensation projections. They are not accurate. A good gouge is to take pay rate times 1000 and that’s what you’ll make for the year. Example. I make 186 an hour times 1000. 186k a year give or take excluding 401k match for a 20+ year Captain.
Good luck to all and get informed before you make the leap.
Things are not that bad at Sun Country.People will only write negative things on here for the most part. After 25 years you now decide to come register on here and contribute ? Seems like you've had a lot of opinions held in. Must be hard too earning 186k and having such a comfy schedule.
Point being, people are only blasting this airline so that they can get a better contract. Do I blame them? Absolutely not. But don't deter people from coming here based on rumors and your own perception of what you think the airline is.
Its not a Major Airline and never will be. But keep bashing and prodding eventually there are going to be no people showing up for ground school, and when the company announces another bankruptcy or the economy goes into downturn, don't go crying when you loose that paycheck.
11-03-2018, 07:40 PM
#1189
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2018
Posts: 39
Originally Posted by scaflyer
Take what you read on these forums as a grain of salt Things are not that bad at Sun Country.
People will only write negative things on here for the most part. After 25 years you now decide to come register on here and contribute ? Seems like you've had a lot of opinions held in. Must be hard too earning 186k and having such a comfy schedule.
Point being, people are only blasting this airline so that they can get a better contract. Do I blame them? Absolutely not. But don't deter people from coming here based on rumors and your own perception of what you think the airline is.
Its not a Major Airline and never will be. But keep bashing and prodding eventually there are going to be no people showing up for ground school, and when the company announces another bankruptcy or the economy goes into downturn, don't go crying when you loose that paycheck.
Things are not that bad at Sun Country.People will only write negative things on here for the most part. After 25 years you now decide to come register on here and contribute ? Seems like you've had a lot of opinions held in. Must be hard too earning 186k and having such a comfy schedule.
Point being, people are only blasting this airline so that they can get a better contract. Do I blame them? Absolutely not. But don't deter people from coming here based on rumors and your own perception of what you think the airline is.
Its not a Major Airline and never will be. But keep bashing and prodding eventually there are going to be no people showing up for ground school, and when the company announces another bankruptcy or the economy goes into downturn, don't go crying when you loose that paycheck.
11-03-2018, 09:04 PM
#1190
New Hire
Joined APC: Nov 2018
Posts: 3
Originally Posted by sca fact rumor
How am I bashing? Most of what I stated is directly from the contract and is fact. Tell me where I’m wrong. Where I put opinion, I stated as such. I’m allowed to have opinions and I didn’t say don’t come to SCA. I simply said get informed. Information is power. I guess I could have just posted the contract, maybe that would have been better for you. Keep drinking that kool-aid.
All I am saying is that I have flown with many like you who have these frustrations with the current contract, company changes etc. This is not SouthWest or Delta, and the contract will never come close to matching one of them. I understand being here for that long you expect better ( And I fully respect that) but for new guys coming in from regionals or straight out of Instructing, I would say its a pretty decent opportunity.
Yes you will have to live in MSP , commuting is out of the question. If company decides to open more bases great. I surely hope however, that they do not force current employees out of MSP (Involuntary displacement). I know I would be one of the first along with many others ,that would resign the day that is announced.
Once again I apologize, im just saying, the pilot culture needs to change. The company is not in a position to struggle with growth or hiring issues right now. If anything it will only tip it further back into a state of downturn. I can only imagine what Appolo is going to do with this place come another recession and they look into their portfolio and see struggling Sun Country.
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