beech1980

Apollo has deeper pockets than any airline around. I know they don’t want to pay more but if they did they wouldn’t have a problem getting pilots and growing. If they decide to shut the doors I’m sure most will be able to find another 121 job.

After being at SCA 20+ years I’m sure he is tired of being responsible for saving or growing the company on the back of his paycheck.

The only finger pointing should be at Jude. He is the one that should be answering the questions. He is the one who sold this plan to Apollo... if he thought that buying an airline with a cheap contract in this market and growing it to 70 planes was gonna be easy. he has made several mistakes along the way. Pilots are not gonna fall for the propaganda that him and his other management types are spewing.

Back to the topic. The original post was very accurate as to what to expect from a 20+ year prospective. Thanks for adding more insight and truth to the discussion.

sca fact rumor

Funny, it seems as though you just registered too and feel a need to contribute. This is exactly why I don't post. Attacked for basically stating facts with a few opinions thrown in so guys can get a 20+ year perspective. I never said anything was hard about my earning 186k or my comfy schedule. By the way, my schedules have deteriorated over the last 7 years, so not so comfy. As far as pay, I was simply giving an example how to calculate what your earnings might be here at SCA. I never stated my earnings were good, bad or indifferent. And as far as comparing to Delta, Southwest and the like as you did in another post, I never said anything about other airlines, but since you bring it up, I don't believe we should be at that level, but we should be a lot closer than we are currently. Let's compete with a Frontier or Spirit contract. Word on the street is Frontier is about to sign a TA and if the numbers are correct, it would be nice to be around their new TA. We can afford it. Frontier is run by a hedge fund worth 7 billion. We are run by a hedge fund worth 240 billion, so yes, we can afford it and we should be on par with Frontier or Spirit.


I accept your apology and I agree with you that the pilot culture here at SCA needs to change. Pilots need to know their worth and do the things needed to get it. The culture here for far too long has been, we need to help millionaires. And now we want to help Billionaires? No, that culture needs to change!!!


Have a good Sunday. SKOL Vikings.

Viking6

Sounds like it sucks at SY, but to a regional FO or maybe even a CFI it’s a step up. I doubt they will have issues with recruiting.

beech1980

I agree. Same problem at frontier. Sucks all kinds of suck but it looks like a shiny bar of gold to a 1500 hour pilot or a regional Fo.

sca fact rumor

That being said, they ARE having problems recruiting. HR and Pilot managers are even saying so openly.

Highflyer35

Exactly. I made the change to sunny just over a year ago from a regional. In my opinion it still beats flying for any regional reguardless of what the senior folk are telling you.

93Sierra

Any grumblings on where the new bases might be?

DSRoss996

LAX and DFW

daddysocks

New pathway program between University of North Dakota and Sun Country:

http://media.aero.und.edu/avit.und.e...un-Country.pdf


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beech1980

The 20% growth probably won’t happen. There are talks of not growing at all in 2019. No more new hire classes and upgrades until at least July.

The per diem is not paid doing “turns”, only multi day trips. They fail to mention after first year the min pay is 70 hours. Most of the year lines are only built to 70 hours.

Flying around the world will shortly stop as with the transition to high density seating and no ovens on the planes the military will not do global missions on this plane. The company is not going to spend the money outfitting them with the necessary equipment to fly the Nat tracks past 2020.

The health benefits are good. The travel benefits suck.. it cost more to buy a friend a buddy pass most of the time then just buying a ticket off the sun country website. It’s better than a regional airline but doesn’t hold a candle to the big 6, JetBlue or spirit and soon to be frontier.