Comair to be shut down 9/29

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Position: RJ FO

Scope of experience: one regional airline

Furloughs: zero

years in the industry: Most likely less than 2

Age: <25

Location: Mom's basement

any questions?
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Quote: Were you guys even around in 2001? Since the whole regional outsourcing debacle began thirty years ago, only one pilot group at a major regional had the cojones to stand up to mainline management and go on strike for an industry-leading contract.

Were there problems with CMR MEC and the treatment of DAL furloughees? Yes.

But for putting their careers on the line and sacrificing their paychecks and putting their families through an 89-day strike, Comair pilots deserve the respect of every regional pilot.

Sadly, it was ultimately winning the battle in a losing war. As others have said, DAL management had it in for Comair since the day the strike ended. And it's come to this sad end.

Good luck to all Comair-ers past and present. In an industry that demands huge sacrifices from every regional pilot, you guys and gals paid more than your share.

Thanks, and Godspeed.
Of course striking is commendable, but that was 11 years ago. 11 years that these pilots have had to find a new job where they're not flying someone elses' jobs. Sure, the hiring market hasn't been great for a lot of them, but anyone with what it takes to move on in the world has had the opportunity to do so in that time.

Saying that only they have the cajones to stand up to management? There we go again. Comair pilots aren't these amazing regional pilots... they were just given an opportunity that most of us would love to have. How many other regionals since then have been given the ability to strike? Not many. Pilots industry wide have the cajones and resolve to do what the Comair pilots did, and they do it in whatever way they can. ASA pilots come to mind, they sure did stick it to management pretty good and they didn't even have governmental permission to do so... they put themselves on the line just as much or more than the Comair pilots did.

If Comair pilots really had cajones, why are they still showing up to work in light of this news? How bout a good ol' fashioned sick out or something? If that happened, I'd change my tune.
I am at work today because it's not all about me. The passengers have done nothing wrong to deserve having their plans ruined. I would much rather make sure that a dad sees his daughter married than teach Delta a "lesson".
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Quote: Position: RJ FO

Scope of experience: one regional airline

Furloughs: zero

years in the industry: Most likely less than 2

Age: <25

Location: Mom's basement

any questions?
Hahahha. High five.
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Quote: I am at work today because it's not all about me. The passengers have done nothing wrong to deserve having their plans ruined. I would much rather make sure that a dad sees his daughter married than teach Delta a "lesson".
Very good post
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Quote: I am at work today because it's not all about me. The passengers have done nothing wrong to deserve having their plans ruined. I would much rather make sure that a dad sees his daughter married than teach Delta a "lesson".
I agree with your sentiment. It is also why management knows no matter what pay or conditions they shove down your throat, you will still show up to work for the greater good. That's the sad reality of airlines. We pilots are professionals who do not want our paying customers to be screwed. Management knows this and exploits it.

Good luck to all.
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Quote: While it is sad, you cannot say it's anything new in this industry. Did you not see what happened to Eastern, Pan Am, TWA, Branniff, etc. pilots?

They were all Major Airlines, not 50 seat RJ operators.

I call it the Churn Game, and the airline CEO's have been playing it for a very long time. Delta's Richard Anderson was a Lawyer at CAL, working for Frank Lorenzo back when they took Eastern apart.

When ever one group stands up to Management;

Schwack!

Chopped up and sold off.

So, what's ALPA National's PLAN going forward??

They haven't had a plan to deal with this whipsawing, since deregulation in 1978.

Why not?

How many "Strategic Planing Committee" guys does ALPA National employ? And why? Where is the National SOS? That is the only 'hammer' we have, but there has NEVER been any talk of actually using it.

And don't be surprised when Cabotage raises it's ugly head in the next 10 years...

Just a precursor for airlines and other industries running afoul of management's will and determination to crush employees resolve. I say we see cabotage in the U.S. in less than 10 years.
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Quote: Just a precursor for airlines and other industries running afoul of management's will and determination to crush employees resolve. I say we see cabotage in the U.S. in less than 10 years.
I agree, but first you have to ask, who writes the rules that right now, prevent it? And who can write a New Rule, or strike out a line or two in the old rules, to allow it?

Congress.

And who pays Congress to write rules, beneficial to themselves, through re-election campaign contributions?

Airline CEO's and Foriegn Governments, washing the money, through the 42,000 registered Lobbiest, some of whom actually write the legislation.

Like Deep Throat said a long time ago, "Follow the Money".

Which lobby gives more money to Congress, ALPA or the Airlines For America (used to be the Airline Transport Association)? Here's their BOD: http://airlines.org/Pages/Board-of-Directors.aspx

A4A outspends ALPA in political contributions by a factor of about 10 to 1.

Why do you think there was a "Cargo Cutout" in the new duty time and rest rules?

The National Mediation Board told the DAL MEC just about a year ago, that we would not be allowed to strike if we asked for 'too much' in contract negotiations. They said they would do to us, what they did to the APA; park us for 4 years or so, with no movement. That's why we settled for such a small contract, and even allowed bigger RJ's. At leats we recovered some of our outsouced flying, I hope the Com Air guys get hired to fly it.

What we have here is the Best Government Money CAN BUY. The problem for airline pilots is, we don't have enough money to buy enough politicians.
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Quote: Of course striking is commendable, but that was 11 years ago. 11 years that these pilots have had to find a new job where they're not flying someone elses' jobs. Sure, the hiring market hasn't been great for a lot of them, but anyone with what it takes to move on in the world has had the opportunity to do so in that time.
Look up "classy" in the dictionary and there will be a picture of lolwut.

Please tell us, since you have it all figured out, why do you have "RJ FO" under your avatar?
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Quote: I know full well that this career takes a few years to shake the stupid off but thinking that seasoned people in this industry need to be reminded that they just lost a hand at the blackjack table is the epitome of naivete.

Quite possibly my favorite quote ever.
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Quote: If Comair pilots really had cajones, why are they still showing up to work in light of this news? How bout a good ol' fashioned sick out or something? If that happened, I'd change my tune.
Is that how they do it in the tenth grade?

I'm sure that plan of action would just bring in all kinds of job offers to the pilot group, wouldn't it?
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