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Originally Posted by slowplay
You assert that there's been a continued outsourcing of our flying. Are you sure you're correct?
Total number of RJ's: Down.
Total number of DCI block hours: Down.
Total number of DCI pilots: Down.
Their ASM's are up.
I do not think that their number count is down from tighter scope. It is from the company seeing, for the time being, that the Rj's are too expensive. Like I have said before, this management team sees this, can we bank on the fact the next one will too?
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Let's look on the large aircraft side. Has the JV with AF/KLM cost or created Delta pilot jobs?
Too early to tell. My question that I still have not had answered is this, " We are to share all of the North Atlantic growth with the AF/KLM JV 50/50. Does this mean that all of the routes we have had to abandon over the last year get split 50-50 when we reenter the markets?" If that it is the case it will cost International "Premium" jobs. I will submit that the inclusive nature of the JV Scope is a positive step in the correct direction. We need small jet scope worded the same way.
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I assert it has created jobs, jobs that without the JV "outsourcing" otherwise would not have existed. Our access to LHR is a prime example.
A route that is necessary for any World airline, but one that has been killing us. I agree that there are some positives with the JV with AF/KLM
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Could NWA have flown SEA, PDX and LAX without the AS codeshare?
They brought that to the merger, along with A330 and B744 flying fed by those flights. Those are "super premium" jobs that wouldn't exist without the feed, and you've said yourself that it would be a fools mission to replicate organically what AS provides.
I do not think that any one argues that there is some benefit to it. What irks the people I am talking to is, that with this code share we have in effect let AS fill the entire void on the West Coast. We are now giving them, rather quietly, some of our routes to Mexico. We can argue this all day, but the fact remains that it is not status quo. We are giving them routes, they are no longer just supplementing our service.
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I disagree with your assertion that we can expect lower lows. I disagree with your position that scope hasn't gotten it's due diligence.
We have been experiencing lower lows. Look past the last few years. People want to see some intrinsic value brought back to this profession. The best way to do this is to shore up the bottom. If the foundation is strong, we can be safe to assume that we can build a bigger house. It may have gotten its due diligence from your perspective, but the pilots I talk to feel that no one is listing to their wants and needs. How do we change that? Do we tell them they are wrong?, or do we change the course of this ship?
I still assert that the majority of the large DCI flying could be done for the same out of pocket expense that DAL pays these DCI carriers. Add in the margins and we could do it for our book rates and DAL would gain the continuity of service that a World Class airline needs and its passengers should expect.