Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-07-2009, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
We could also just assign the CPS guys seniority numbers and that way we have two airlines with DAL seniority numbers. One group two tickets. Sounds like Rjet. We could do it with all of the WO is there was support.
There are many way and angles to look at this. Ideas are good.
There are many way and angles to look at this. Ideas are good.
09-07-2009, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The company controls assignment of seniority numbers and the seniority list. Dalpa can't do as you state. They could go to the company and attempt to negotiate giving them numbers. I believe the company would fight that all the way to a strike. They are very happy with the current divide and conquer strategy.
And maybe, maybe not.
09-07-2009, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
iaflyer and Super,
Pilot I was flying with had a copy of the code a phone which printed over the margin. The "not" was cut off his copy, so it read "contemplating furloughs" as opposed to "not contemplating furloughs."
Good news, my bad!
Pilot I was flying with had a copy of the code a phone which printed over the margin. The "not" was cut off his copy, so it read "contemplating furloughs" as opposed to "not contemplating furloughs."
Good news, my bad!
They are contemplating furloughs....long pause....NNNNOOOOTTTTT!
No, that wouldn't be funny in America
09-07-2009, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Chente
Amen and amen to both of you guys! I dont get it, I mean I dont understand the economics behind the whole code share with Alaska or the fact that maybe Delta doesnt want to "compete" with Alaska or Southwest on the west coast but I have been saying that for awhile....We are "The premier global airline" yet we cant fly LAX-SEA, LAX-SFO, LAX-DFW, LAX-ORD, etc etc on Delta!?!?
Again, I dont see the big picture I guess but I definitely dont understand it. Talked to the Network guy on the roadshow or whatever its called, and he basically said we are making money with Alaska feeding us......
"Premier global airline" with basically 6 East coast Bases and 2 (3 if you count SEA) west coast bases.....
Again, I dont see the big picture I guess but I definitely dont understand it. Talked to the Network guy on the roadshow or whatever its called, and he basically said we are making money with Alaska feeding us......
"Premier global airline" with basically 6 East coast Bases and 2 (3 if you count SEA) west coast bases.....
If we want "industry leading" on anything in C2012, management's answer will be that we'll be "more expensive" than Alaska, MidWest, Air France, KLM, Comair, Shuttle, Chautauqua, Mesa, ASA, SkyWest, Pinnacle, Mesaba, or Freedom.
We work for a division of Delta. Our bosses rally for us and hope we get more flying. Above them, "Delta Air Lines, Inc." is a diversified transportation management company. They look at Delta's product, then figure out how to serve that product with the 13 or more choices they have at their disposal. The most efficient choice is made.
On the other side of the table is our union. ALPA tries to look forward and negotiate agreements that ensure Delta pilots do Delta flying.
Without ALPA and scope our flying would be continually outsourced until we agreed to perform those services cheaper than any of the other choices, or we were replaced and irrelevant.
MidWest is an illustration of what happens when scope is relaxed to the point that the primary pilot group loses relevance.
09-07-2009, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The big picture is easy. One word, scope.
I am on board with the scope issue.. ask any of the guys I fly with. But it's not the end all battle. The reserve system needs fixin' too. Lots of issues that had best not be forgotten but the new administration.
I'm just sayin'
GO BIG ORANGE
09-07-2009, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
We could also just assign the CPS guys seniority numbers and that way we have two airlines with DAL seniority numbers. One group two tickets. Sounds like Rjet. We could do it with all of the WO is there was support.
There are many way and angles to look at this. Ideas are good.
There are many way and angles to look at this. Ideas are good.
09-07-2009, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The big picture is easy. One word, scope.
If we want "industry leading" on anything in C2012, management's answer will be that we'll be "more expensive" than Alaska, MidWest, Air France, KLM, Comair, Shuttle, Chautauqua, Mesa, ASA, SkyWest, Pinnacle, Mesaba, or Freedom.
We work for a division of Delta. Our bosses rally for us and hope we get more flying. Above them, "Delta Air Lines, Inc." is a diversified transportation management company. They look at Delta's product, then figure out how to serve that product with the 13 or more choices they have at their disposal. The most efficient choice is made.
On the other side of the table is our union. ALPA tries to look forward and negotiate agreements that ensure Delta pilots do Delta flying.
Without ALPA and scope our flying would be continually outsourced until we agreed to perform those services cheaper than any of the other choices, or we were replaced and irrelevant.
MidWest is an illustration of what happens when scope is relaxed to the point that the primary pilot group loses relevance.
If we want "industry leading" on anything in C2012, management's answer will be that we'll be "more expensive" than Alaska, MidWest, Air France, KLM, Comair, Shuttle, Chautauqua, Mesa, ASA, SkyWest, Pinnacle, Mesaba, or Freedom.
We work for a division of Delta. Our bosses rally for us and hope we get more flying. Above them, "Delta Air Lines, Inc." is a diversified transportation management company. They look at Delta's product, then figure out how to serve that product with the 13 or more choices they have at their disposal. The most efficient choice is made.
On the other side of the table is our union. ALPA tries to look forward and negotiate agreements that ensure Delta pilots do Delta flying.
Without ALPA and scope our flying would be continually outsourced until we agreed to perform those services cheaper than any of the other choices, or we were replaced and irrelevant.
MidWest is an illustration of what happens when scope is relaxed to the point that the primary pilot group loses relevance.
09-07-2009, 07:39 AM
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Why are the ALVs for the 73N and M88 10% higher for Oct than Sep?? Thought this was our slow time.
09-07-2009, 08:00 AM
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Dragon,
Just a guess, but do you see all those 757's and 767's parked around the north and south sides of the Atlanta airport?
The 737N in particular is a terrific airplane to back fill 767 and 757 flying because it has the range for the North American continent / Western Atlantic while burning just over 5,000PPH in cruise. The MD88 can do all the north - south traffic as a Boeing fill in as well.
I'm thinking the 737 and MD88 pilots will remain busy during the downturn.
Just a guess, but do you see all those 757's and 767's parked around the north and south sides of the Atlanta airport?
The 737N in particular is a terrific airplane to back fill 767 and 757 flying because it has the range for the North American continent / Western Atlantic while burning just over 5,000PPH in cruise. The MD88 can do all the north - south traffic as a Boeing fill in as well.
I'm thinking the 737 and MD88 pilots will remain busy during the downturn.
09-07-2009, 08:06 AM
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Busy is good!
What you say makes sense and when I was on the 73N, I knew we were doing a lot of the old 75/76 routes. I just figured that whatever they did for Sept would remain about the same in Oct.
I'll probably add this to my list of questions for the CVG base visit.
What you say makes sense and when I was on the 73N, I knew we were doing a lot of the old 75/76 routes. I just figured that whatever they did for Sept would remain about the same in Oct.
I'll probably add this to my list of questions for the CVG base visit.
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