I will second that. They know exactly what is going on. I only hope for their sake that it will benefit us rather than harm us. This is "grounds for lawsuit" stuff.

 

I think this is where the problem is...It's like having a family dog that occasionally bites the kids.

 

Maybe I wasn't clear. I never said they were not smart. The intent of the post was to show that this administration does not see the implications of having such a liberal scope clause. At the time (leading up to) LOA 19, DC-9's were going away and we give them 255 70 seat jets? Yeah, enough about that.

To see the look on the union folks faces when scope issues were brought up. Trust me and anyone else who was there, they do not understand this.

BTW, being smart and making good decisions are two completely different things. Look around, very smart people make very bad decisions everyday.

 

I don't think the ALPA lawyers were there, they said they had "consulted" with the lawyers. Of course more than once they did not understand the question that was asked and proceeded to give an answer that had nothing to do with the original question.

I was not all that impressed with their understanding of the SCOPE issues before us.. I think that is mostly because they don't see it as a priority as many of us do.

 

Not is he only a phone call away, he is still on the MEC as a Rep. The flow is quite clear cut. "Lack of understanding" strikes me as a precursor to it being modified if it needs to actually be used. That's a scary thought as it is the only furlough protection we have that is worth a hoot.

 

if thats the case then they need to get educated or removed. SCOPE is about the biggest issue we have before us with the DC9's and some of the Md80's needing to be replaced. With that said, I talked with one of my reps the other day and asked him point blank about scope, His response was "NO MORE". So I know we have guys that get it, i just hope that the MEC gets it!! This issue is magnified now that we have one of our feeders acquiring 717's, E-190s, and Airbus's!!

I foresee 2012 coming around and DAL coming to us for scope relief for a number of different reasons. DC9's planned retirement, mass retirements beginning within the pilot group (65), and contract negotiations. One possibility is that they will say that with the number of retirements coming that they cant effectively staff the airline and will offer a little more money during the contract negotiations if we give up some more scope relief!! My hope is that we have people in the MEC that will/are drawing the line and let the pilot group and Mgmt know that SCOPE (our careers) arent for sale anymore. (this would be learning from previous mistakes and put an end to constant deterioration of OUR industry)

The last decade has been a disaster in our industry and with forward lookers in the MEC we can turn it around. Now is the time to learn from our previous mistakes and ensure it doesn't happen again.

 

Well said, I know a lot of really intelligent people that are extremely poor decision makers. The two do not go hand in hand.

 

Junior ones do... well.. this one anyway.. IF you'll ever stoop to flying BOG... or GRU.. or....

 

No.. jumpseat. The flights are full of cheap fares...

 

I have actually talked to LM, and I can tell you exactly what he said:

To a group of NW guys:

"RJ are good for us, they fill up our 777's to Japan!"

-why can't mainline jets fill their own 777!

When asked about the CPZ question:

"Why are you complaining, your flying a very popular airplane, it's not going anywhere"

-As far as I know we don't come w/ the airplane, and I thought ALPA represents pilots not airplanes. He then turns his back to us in a very rude way, which tells us how he feels about us and our cause. Everytime I've asked our union reps about the CPZ issue they turn their heads away and avoid the question. I've never had a direct answer given to this situation.