Are you kidding me - the Negotiating Committee is so out of touch with what we want as a crew force. They think they know what is best for us. Does the survey question "whatever the mechanism" ring any bells?

That Negotiating Committee comm was pathetic - tell us what you are negotiating fo and stop being so cryptic if you truly want us behind what you are doing.

I was specifically told by a ALPA Rep that they do not like "cash over cap" because they do not see it as a retirement mechanism. If you can spend that money on a boat or plane and it is not tax advantaged like a 401K then it is not a retirement plan. They don't trust you to save it so they will serve you pancakes instead.

I am asking for a clear message so we can unite - exactly opposite of what you say.

if the pancake plan is our goal what then say it and let’s unify if possible.

Are we proposing that our retirement be fundamentally altered to a brand new plan? Seems like this is a basic question that the membership should know before the negotiation fight.

Why do you think we should shut up and work until it’s time to vote? Aren’t you curious or worried if the pancake plan is in it?

Why is the membership the only group not allowed to know if we are asking for a pancake plan for ourselves? Obviously the negotiating committee and company know - we are first ones that need to know - instead we should plan for finding out at the ta.

I’m not sure why demanding this critical information is divisive. Or why we need to keep muzzled if we have questions about completely changing the backbone of our retirement when we get a negotiating email like that.

A clear message would unify and you probably know that. Concealing such enormous details as a replacement pancake plan from the membership is not a good way to conduct business. Unite with information. Withholding information only divides wouldn’t you agree?

Whats sad is my union wanting to give away my retirement plan and is proposing something we don’t know but expect us to just trust them and stand up against the company because they said so. In my view they’re different sides of the same coin because they’re both trying to change something which I value. They both should be working to enhance our retirement not alter it.

ding…ding…ding. We have a winner.

If they want to dispel rumors then tell us what we re asking the company for in retirement upgrades!

Exactly!!!! How do we dispel rumors if don’t know the facts? The only fact I know is our current plan.

Asking it in public (here) is divisive. And very helpful to the company. This site is hit multiple times a day in various cubicles on Democrat, Airways and at Ford and Harrison.

Great - I hope all those people are reading and they know pancakes is a no go but there needs to be a vast improvement in our retirement.

If you ask the union in private they will not tell you nothing and give nothing but vague answers.

I’m kinda wondering why this stuff is getting posted in a public forum. Genuinely curious-don’t you guys have a private forum of sorts to discuss this?

Ask yourself...who benefits by the constant complaining about ALPA here on APC?

There's your answer.