Never bragged bout our 109 hostages. There is a big difference between braggin and caving but in your case you were bragging bout your caving now that's a WINNER.

Nope never caved. I prefer our model, where everyone gives some instead of putting people on the street. You prefer to sacrifice your young. Hey morality is flexible, tell yourself whatever you need to to feel superior.

Don't forget everyone gave and ups took it @ still moved forward with Thier plan. No one eats Thier young here as you say it, maybe that's the culture you are used too where you're at but not at IPA.

Before you go all indignant on UPS pilots, there is something that I wanted to add in this discussion:

We didn't sacrifice anyone. It is UPS who decided to furlough. We, as a pilot group, came up with more $ savings to the company, than the company saved in actually furloughing. IT WAS ALL ABOUT CONTROL BY UPS! They wanted to show the inmates who is running the asylum.

When they did furlough, who paid the COBRA for the furloughees? Their IPA brothers. I was once ALPA, thrice furloughed. You want to know what was the most support I ever got? A 1-yr subscription to Kit Darby's pocket. Nor did I ever expect anything - I knew that was a risk of this profession. Why did we do it? BECAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!

Who had a 98% + success rate in complying with no open time pick up? The IPA.

Who raised close to $75,000 VOLUNTARILY for Christmas gifts for their furloughed brothers and sisters the first year alone! The IPA!

So, please don't say that WE sacrificed our young. We did everything to prevent UPS from having to do it, they pulled the trigger anyway, so we watched out for our guys.

Rest my case brother.

Dude or dudette, you started it. The fact is you know nothing about 4A2B but you pretend you do. We have not a had a furlough at FDX because of 4A2B. 4A2b does not cut our payrates it lowers the minimum guarantee. So instead of putting people on the street everyone gets more time off. It does not even guarantee no furlough, obviously like your language, but it does guarantee everyone takes a hit. Hell UPS hired non union pilots while guys were on the street.

Now you guys continuously claim that the first step in your negotiations is pay rates and I simply wanted to know what was on the table before your strike vote. But I guess it is a Secret until after we vote on ours and then miraculously it will be ours plus 25% but you had to settle for our plus a nickle because ALPA screwed you.

Dont look at me I'm not indignant. You like your furlough protection I like ours. It is your buddy brownie who has a problem with ours.

Now reread this thread, the series of insults started with a slam from one of yours about how FDX MEC screwed you. I didnt slam anyone back I just wanted to know what your next rates were before I voted. It was brownie who wanted a fight and I obliged. Brownie even picked the turf, furlough protection. If you have a problem with idignation start with brownie.

TonyC ... I basically agree with you, especially now that we carry so much
Mail it's unlikely that we would ever be "released" to strike but ...

It might not take very much ALPA posturing to get FedEx customers to take their business elsewhere.

THAT might get Managements attention!

This is a HIGHLY inflammatory remark.

This flippant remark is an attempt to hide in plain sight and is offensive. In truth, directly from the Negotiating Committee people at the table for the 2006 contract, $325/hour was already agreed to in IPA negotiations. Which was promptly dismissed upon release of the FedEx TA. I do not believe the Negotiating Committee of the IPA is lying. And the NC personal say the same thing today. I do no believe they are lying.

It is very hard to strike when you have just had your legs amputated. More like impossible.

The problem is not the hourly pay rates so much as FDX refused to work with the IPA despite repeated attempts by the IPA to do exactly that....work together. And FDX ALPA refused. I have my intuition as to why FDX ALPA refused to work with the IPA but won't say.

The result set everyone back a decade in payscales.

It was meant to be, it was in response to a HIGHLY inflammatory remark.

Edit for the flipant remark.

I dont care if it is a true story or not. That was nearly 10 years ago. Get over it. You keep brownie from making crap up about 4A2b and Ill quit correcting him/her/it.