Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? - Page 4171

#41701

forgot to bid , 06-26-2010 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Oh...I see how you roll. When you're around beautiful women, you take OFF the collar of shame!

Carl

He tries to act like he is flea free around them. And try not to put lipstick on either*.

*reference family guy, stewie the baby asks Brian the dog why he was bending over putting on lipstick and Brian explained that it wasn't lipstick. No further pic will be allowed.

#41702

Carl Spackler , 06-26-2010 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

OK, this is got to stop. It is not about Operation Visine, or that we are so pro DAL we cannot see the issues. It is simple. It is about seeing the big picture, understanding that there are certain decision that are not the absolute best decisions, but the best decision given a set of facts. It is about seeing the bigger picture and accepting the facts that we as pilots do not have all of the facts to understand the decisions made. It is about trusting those that are in those positions (both company and union) that were part of the process to have made the best possible decision.

No computer system that could have worked and was a better platform was trashed for an old and outdated system just because. There is a bigger reason that they are not shouting from the tops of the the a/c tails telling us line pilots. Trust the process.

As for operation Visine. With any merger they keep leaders and to see if they can adopt a philosophy and still be effective. If this does not happen they are let go and they replace said individual with someone that can. My personal opinion is that DAL has gone above and beyond with trying to split all positions 50-50. There comes a time when getting people that will agree with leadership and go from there trumps trying to look fair. Not saying it is right but that is corporate America and happens with every merger around the world.

DAL was the surviving carrier and their way of doing business (esp flt ops) survived. It is apparent that it is their philosophy that has survived. It also is apparent that they want people that are willing to get behind it and go from there. Right or wrong it is what it is, and when DAL is bought by someone their philosophy will be the surviving one not our. It is not personal. It is just the corporate world.

DO not take this as an attack on the NWA history or way of doing business. It is just how the world works.

So much wrong in your post it's hard to know where to begin. First of all it's not "this is got to stop" it's "this has got to stop." But what is it you want to stop? The thread's resident published author goes off on a name calling intemperate rant, and you respond to Schwanker who posts a thoughtful response that has just one shot of opinion in the last sentence? But no response from you to the intemperate rant?

I'll take up the rest of your post in pieces.

Carl

#41703

Carl Spackler , 06-26-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

OK, this is got to stop. It is not about Operation Visine, or that we are so pro DAL we cannot see the issues. It is simple. It is about seeing the big picture, understanding that there are certain decision that are not the absolute best decisions, but the best decision given a set of facts. It is about seeing the bigger picture and accepting the facts that we as pilots do not have all of the facts to understand the decisions made. It is about trusting those that are in those positions (both company and union) that were part of the process to have made the best possible decision.

That paragraph is a recipe for disaster. Not even individual members of the ELT trust each other that much. It's ALL about results. When the results go south (pardon the pun) those decision makers need to be held to account...not excused!

Carl

#41704

Carl Spackler , 06-26-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

No computer system that could have worked and was a better platform was trashed for an old and outdated system just because. There is a bigger reason that they are not shouting from the tops of the the a/c tails telling us line pilots. Trust the process.

Trust the process? Even after RA himself says IT is the biggest worry that keeps him up at night? Even after our current level of troubles involve IT issues to a large degree? That level of trust is naiive.

Carl

#41705

Ferd149 , 06-26-2010 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by scambo1

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Ferd;

F-15 guys cant talk smack about stuff like this and you know why.

You can shoot down a million migs, but......................

Ferd <----never went to PACAF training

Great story........one of my UPT classmates that I later was later with at LFI was there when this all happened. His squadron had patches made up that said "I'm in the other squadron". Soon all the guys were wearing TShirts that said "I'm in the other squadron". Wives were wearing TShirts that said "my husband etc etc" The wing king was biting his tongue and going with it till he say a toddler at a softball game wearing a TShirt that said "my dad's in the other squadron". Then he put the kbosh on it all

Ferd <--------------kicks his keys to the door too around ZZ guys

#41706

forgot to bid , 06-26-2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

You're right about handling change, and everybody is different. But most of the complaints and worries that I have and hear of are not that things are changing. When the merger was announced I had great hopes of Delta bringing state of the art change. That was my assumption as to how Delta operated. Most of us fNWA guys now see that assumption was wrong.

Resistance to change is human nature, but when change makes things better, even the most hard headed come around. But when change takes you demonstrably backward, and our new company's stats prove it, then the change is just sad.

Carl

Ah, advantage jetblue. You can be state of the art easier when new and small and not large and 75+ years old with the constraints a alpha described and thousands of financial commitments. Here's to the hope of ipads!

#41707

Carl Spackler , 06-26-2010 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

As for operation Visine. With any merger they keep leaders and to see if they can adopt a philosophy and still be effective. If this does not happen they are let go and they replace said individual with someone that can. My personal opinion is that DAL has gone above and beyond with trying to split all positions 50-50. There comes a time when getting people that will agree with leadership and go from there trumps trying to look fair. Not saying it is right but that is corporate America and happens with every merger around the world.

Some of our best people were ignored and interrupted during the very first meeting with the south boys. Did the south guys know that our guys were unable to adopt a new philosophy before they even began speaking?

I don't think that level of disrespect happens with every merger around the world.

Carl

#41708

Carl Spackler , 06-26-2010 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

DAL was the surviving carrier and their way of doing business (esp flt ops) survived. It is apparent that it is their philosophy that has survived. It also is apparent that they want people that are willing to get behind it and go from there. Right or wrong it is what it is, and when DAL is bought by someone their philosophy will be the surviving one not our. It is not personal. It is just the corporate world.

I've said this many times. Delta can do whatever they want, and they are. It's just strange to hear so many say that they're somehow taking the best of both worlds.

Carl

#41709

Carl Spackler , 06-26-2010 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

DO not take this as an attack on the NWA history or way of doing business. It is just how the world works.

It's not how the world works, but it's clearly how the new Delta works. Some companies truly take the best of their merged entities and are the better for it. Others stubbornly hang on to failed tradition even after the bad results start pouring in.

Carl

#41710

KC10 FATboy , 06-26-2010 12:43 PM

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Carl:

Are you in MSP? If so, lets grab a couple of beer. They're on me.