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The expert have returned with charts and nonsense no one cares about once again!
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Damn dude! You must be so disappointed that AA hasn't yet declared bankruptcy. Can you sleep OK at night? Let me guess? You were turned down by American and now you can't wait to see them to fail huh? Get over it and move on with your life. Your "cheerleading" is getting old.
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Quote: Damn dude! You must be so disappointed that AA hasn't yet declared bankruptcy. Can you sleep OK at night? Let me guess? You were turned down by American and now you can't wait to see them to fail huh? Get over it and move on with your life. Your "cheerleading" is getting old.
Don’t worry, any chance excargodog has to throw shade on ANY legacy airline he’ll take full advantage of it.
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Quote: Don’t worry, any chance excargodog has to throw shade on ANY legacy airline he’ll take full advantage of it.
Not at all. Nor do I ‘throw shade.’ I merely post facts. Anyone who believes an eight billion dollar one year loss is trivial and can’t possibly affect operations going forward needs a reality check though, from anywhere they can get one.

Same for anyone who thinks a 40% stock dilution is unimportant. Not saying they are evil or anything, just financially uninformed. These things matter. That’s why financial sites track them.
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Quote: Not at all. Nor do I ‘throw shade.’ I merely post facts. Anyone who believes an eight billion dollar one year loss is trivial and can’t possibly affect operations going forward needs a reality check though, from anywhere they can get one.

Same for anyone who thinks a 40% stock dilution is unimportant. Not saying they are evil or anything, just financially uninformed. These things matter. That’s why financial sites track them.
No one cares.
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Quote: The expert have returned with charts and nonsense no one cares about once again!
It is a scary-looking graph at a glance, but actual context would help... like shares outstanding vs. authorized shares. If those numbers are close to each other that might be scary. Also what's the authorized %?

I can make a graph with factual numbers showing that air travel for last month, year over year, has grown by about 800%... industry must be doing great right? Fun with stats.
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Quote: I merely post facts.
So AA has gone into bankruptcy? I wasn't aware.

And the majors won't be hiring many pilots in the next two to three years? You might want to check your "facts."

Your predictions, or facts, are wrong time after time after time.
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The scary part is moving AAdvantage Miles as a separate company off shore.

Banks buy those miles and hand them out to credit card users who use and forget to use those miles. It’s a real money maker, pre-selling inventory. If AA can tread water and service the interest the pre selling will continue.

I can’t find any charts to show outstanding miles in circulation vs available inventory in any one year. I do see it as a back door way for the sharks to run debt up higher and cash out.

The largest creditor will be the public with miles they can’t use.
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Quote: It is a scary-looking graph at a glance, but actual context would help... like shares outstanding vs. authorized shares. If those numbers are close to each other that might be scary. Also what's the authorized %?

I can make a graph with factual numbers showing that air travel for last month, year over year, has grown by about 800%... industry must be doing great right? Fun with stats.
Except this is a four year look back rather than a 1 month look back, as are the charts showing net income. That’s a little harder to write off as a blip comparing a pandemic month to a non pandemic (or at least substantially recovered) month. As I’m sure you are aware, Rick.

Do you truly believe that an $8.45 Billion loss is trivial and will have no effect on operations on a company that had less profit than that in the preceding 4 non-pandemic years combined? Truthfully?

And yeah, they are nowhere near their authorized shares - they can sell more - up to twice more their current number

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AUTHORIZED CAPITAL STOCK

SECTION 1. Authorized Capital Stock.

(a) The total number of shares of all classes of stock which the Corporation shall have authority to issue is 1,950,000,000 shares of capital stock, consisting of 1,750,000,000 shares of common stock having a par value of $0.01 per share (the “Common Stock”) and 200,000,000 shares of preferred stock having a par value of $0.01 per share (the “Preferred Stock”).
but how many companies do you know that are anywhere close to their authorized limit - which they set themselves at incorporation? And how do you figure selling more stock doesn’t lead to more stock dilution, which was the issue to begin with?
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Quote: The scary part is moving AAdvantage Miles as a separate company off shore.

Banks buy those miles and hand them out to credit card users who use and forget to use those miles. It’s a real money maker, pre-selling inventory. If AA can tread water and service the interest the pre selling will continue.

I can’t find any charts to show outstanding miles in circulation vs available inventory in any one year. I do see it as a back door way for the sharks to run debt up higher and cash out.

The largest creditor will be the public with miles they can’t use.

Reminds me of when Carl Icahn created Karabu Corp and forced TWA to sell it an unlimited number of tickets at 45% off. They never recovered from that.
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