Random date...May 13th OAK-HNL One way

SWA: Anytime Fare...$600 Business select $630 (same seat)
HA: Extra Comfort (nice seat, sat in it for 10hrs) $434
Main Cabin $354
extras: both provide some form of app or tv for entertainment
HA: Free coach meal, free glass of wine, free mai tai, free sodas etc
SWA: snack box, free soda's

HA baggage fee...$30 over 50lbs $50...
SWA baggage Fee: free up to 50lbs.. $75 thereafter

one oversized suitcase >50lbs
SWA $75
HA $80

Checked May 15th same flight... same prices

Inter Island May 13th, one way OGG-HNL

SWA: Wanna get away $49 Anytime $159 Business $175
HA: Main Cabin $49 Preferrd $59 First $109

SWA same all day
Hawaiian: price varies throughout the day.. max is around $110-120 all day first class

This is the same type of pricing difference I've seen with every random day I've selected since SWA started selling tickets..

HA has so many Pualani pax interisland that get 2 free bags, the price difference shouldn't factor in the interisland equation.

So if we go off pure price I have my theory as to who will get the business... just a guess

1st bag is $15 interisland if you sign-up for a HawaiianMiles account. Or the more popular option...bring the most ridiculous sized "carry-on" and have it gate checked for free.

Forgot about that... I used to be Pualani Platinum, so just know I got 2 free bags, free change fee, Pualani lounge access, and unlimited 1st class upgrades. On interisland and long haul....

What about the fact that the 737 Max is a 170-200 seat airplane vs. the 717 at like 120 seats. Will SWA flood the interisland market with cheap seats just to keep the plane at an acceptable load factor?

They can try. But short flights are still flights as far as maintenance is concerned. They will need to crack that coconut before anyone at HA needs to be evacuating poi from their pants.

4 flights to OGG and KOA is one thing. If SW leaves a dedicated fleet in the islands, starts bidding for mail contracts and cargo...then we got a problem.

Several times, all on points. Air fare, hotel and rental car.

And you’re right, I don’t think it’s HAL that should have their eyes wide open right now. SWA’s focus is the CA customer who has been flying on Alaska for business trips, who now has a reason to fly SWA more frequently. Clearly HAL isn’t competing for the SoCal<-->PNW passenger...

Max is 175 on SWA. And we are getting snack boxes?!

Does anyone think that another airline might merge or buy Hawaiian? If Hawaiian finds itself on the verge of bankruptcy, will someone step in to prevent WN from a complete takeover of the Hawaii interisland market? Do airlines see value in Hawaiians small fleet, gate space, MX hangar, equipment...

Lots of good points from my HAL brothers.

After a couple nights of sleeping on this, I’m still convinced at least for the first couple of years the pilots that need to be worried have an Eskimo on their tail. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Alaska backing out some, and doing a couple more flights to Guadalajara every day like they used to before they found HI.

SWA guys still plenty welcome on the jumpseat. Lord knows I’ve Jumped on you guys many times in the past. Let’s keep this civil and let our managements figure it out.

Kingairfun really brings up some great points. Other airlines can bring all the planes out here they want to, but if they don’t have any place to park them it’s not going to help. Gate space at the Hawaii airports ALREADY looks like the parking lot of an outlet mall on Black Friday. That’s on a normal day.

Inter island will be more competitive, but from the mainland southwest passengers and Hawaiian passengers are two different types of people. NOTE: This is not a slam of anyone’s passengers. It’s a simple statement of fact. The target off of the mainland is Alaska, not Hawaiian. Like Kingair says, Most passengers that fly Hawaiian fly because they like Hawaiian not because they are chasing low fares. They are after a specific product.

With that said. No one does what Southwest does better than Southwest. At the same time, no one does what Hawaiian does better than Hawaiian. There’s room for both of us. It’s the others that should be worried.

Let’s give this a year or two and see where it shakes out. Until then, you guys might want to take this to the Alaska sub forum. [emoji481]