FNGFO

Congrats on escaping.

kingairfun

Not sure if it was escaping or forced to move on a decade ago!!


Honest question..

If you were getting a free ride to Hawaii, everything being equal.. Departure/arrival time etc. Who would be your first choice to ride on? SWA, HA, or Spirit (assuming they came out here)

Hawaiian 5O

You have much to learn Grasshopper.

All of the grease in the world won’t matter. The wheels here don’t turn on weekends, nights or holidays. The number of wheels are very limited, and said wheels are usually allocated on other projects already. Get in line.

Agreed. It’s conjecture. Time will tell. Again, I’m not worried about it. The TRUE 800 lb gorilla In the room here has always been remaining cycles on our 717’s and the fact that no airplane manufactured today will do what the 717 does here as well as the 717. Destiny has already shown its face here. The inter-island market will simply be part of the future business plan, not THE plan.

Here’s another data point for you guys that think a multibillion-dollar corporation from the mainland is just going to come out here and take over...

A couple years ago, a mainland corporation wanted to buy out the local power company HECO. The locals hate HECO for the same perceived reasons that you “think” makes Hawaiian air not popular here. The power grid is completely dilapidated, and the rates are 3 to 5 times higher than what you would pay on the mainland. Again, HA fares are market rate compared to the mainland. Power rates out here literally are 3 to 5 times higher. So...

This mainland corporation promised and could show that not only would they reduce power rates, but they would modernize the infrastructure and make the power more reliable out here. It was a complete win.

At the end of the day, the mainland corporation was sent home packing because the only thing that the residents hated more than HECO, Was the idea of a big corporation from the mainland coming out here and trying to affect change. Yes, even if that meant lower rates and more reliable service.

I look forward to chatting with you SWA guys on overnights. Again, I hold no ill will to your pilot group. We are just bus drivers. Hopefully there’s good money in great retirement left for all of us when the dust settles. When you factor in the politics out here, absolutely none of us have any idea what’s going to happen in the end.

FNGFO

Yeah, I just missed the furloughs myself.

That’s kinda a loaded question. Assuming apples to apples meaning economy seats then it really doesn’t matter between SWA and HA. Let me sit in the premium seating and it’s HA followed by NK.

Your NJ’s background helps explain your emphasis on product and experience, but knowing our backgrounds I can safely say that both of us have spent a lot of time in the economy section of all airline brands ( before accumulated points led to status assuming you didn’t get booked on the Monday morning ORD with 145 other platinum members) and it just plain sucks back there. Particularly on long flights.

I’ve vacationed on Hawaii 7 or 8 times. Certainly not a native, but I’ve been there plenty and love it. I’ve ridden first class and steerage out and back. And not once did I give two thoughts about the travel experience other than wanting it to be over. I really don’t think your average SWA pax is looking for that either. SWA FA’s throwing cheesy cheap lei’s, maybe playing some island sounding music on the PA and serving pineapple juice is probably more than enough for them.

FNGFO

Maybe. Or maybe they’ll bring in A construction firm of their own. If there’s anything I’ll tip my cap to SWA for its their willingness to find a way and push through.

Hawaiian 5O

Forgive me for being blunt, your ignorance is so bright that it’s blinding. You don’t understand how things work out here. It really is that different.

All of the local construction firms are 100% hard-core Union. I’m talking hard-core union to the point that it makes the unions in New York look like conservative non-union right to work places in Texas. You have no idea. Now add that all of the local construction companies employ locals.

So then, what do you think the local union workers out here would do when a large mainland corporation tried to show up with their own trucks and bulldozers with low rate labor from out of state?

I don’t expect you to understand. This is something you have to experience firsthand. Unless you’re born and raised here, or have lived here for a long time, you won’t get this.

ZapBrannigan

Who cares. It’s not the NFL. It’s not a religion.

It’s just Airlines competing and we are all just pawns handcuffed to the company we ended up working for. My only goal is to remain employed for another twenty years and I hope everyone at our competitors does too.


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FNGFO

I know you think that’s special or unique, but getting around the roadblocks presented by unionized labor is a time honored tradition. Maybe you’re right. And maybe you’re wrong.

I wouldn’t bet against SWA getting something done if they have the will to do it.

fuzzball

To fill in HA50's point further, bringing in a construction firm doesn't do much good if no one will let you have any concrete or asphalt.

Hawaiian 5O

Well, for conversations sake... I HOPE that SWA tries to do something like this. It would cause a revolt out here. They would be viewed as the bad guy. It would destroy their public opinion out here , and like with the electric company comparison that I mentioned, the residents would gladly pay higher rates to fly on a company that’s loyal to the state population. Bring it on.

This would go over much worse than Donald Trump trying to hold a MAGA rally out here.