Funny you mention having to match Endeavor. I'm at Endeavor now and all everyone talks about there is how AA WO regionals have a flow and we don't. Sounds like there's a lot of people ****ed and voting no on this TA because Delta refuses to offer a flow. Many new hires are talking about leaving and going to an AA WO for the flow.

Your post has so many variables. Mainline guys (and the unions) just want more flying in house. They really dont care about the regionals other than if they take our flying. A previous poster was correct... mgt is going to do anything and everything that suits them and the bottom dollar. If they gave numbers to your whole list they are going to lose interest from some of the fighter pilots they almost exclusively target for jobs here. Personally, (if you care) I’d love to bring all of you on tomorrow with numbers and all of your planes. It will most likely never happen. They will do the minimum to keep meat in the seat.

Is this raise for pinnacolaba in addition to the current bonuses? If not it seems like they are just converting a bunch of that bonus money into payrates. So not much of a raise.

Are you suggesting a seniority number before you're on property (at AA that is)? Hell no...You'd be cutting in front of off the street guys. I wish we didn't have any flow, but I'm not King. Yes Al, I'm a fighter pilot, but I would like to see our OTS as about 1/3 Mil (even mix of fighter/heavy), 1/3 regional, 1/3 part 91/135.

Having mostly flow/military new hires leads to a homogeneous pilot group. I'd rather see some diversity...for improved contract negotiations and SOP improvements. As the saying goes "if everybody is thinking alike, nobody is thinking"

AA firmly believes the flow is a primary retention/ recruitment tool to keep its Wholly Owned regionals staffed and thus its domestic flying highly profitable.

Interestingly enough there are some in management circles who see issuing seniority #s to WO pilots as the long term solution to keep the WOs staffed during the pilot shortage (since they’re already AAG employees). No Idea now it would work but in typical fashion if the pilot group is against it, management is probably for it.

It would be a double edged sword, yes better retention at the WO's, but AA would have trouble hiring OTS guys in the future. They would choose an airline where their seniority is set, rather than AA and get to see WO guys slotted in front of them during their first 6 to 9 years on property.

Interestingly enough, I've heard the same idea for giving Miltary pilots a seniority number while they are still on active duty (not at AA). I'm just as firmly against that as well.

I could only think a seniority number would be given if they run into a crunch for staffing Pilots. Say a few WO pilots have there flow dates coming up but need to be held for 6 months at the WO's because of staffing. I could see AA issuing them there date of hire then and after 6 months they'd finally flow over and still have the luxury of 300 pilots below them. Both sides win in this case. I think Delta did this with Compass when it had it's flow.

Didn't NWA administer the hiring process at XJ and CP when they had flows? I think it was the same exact interview and the applicants had to meet NWA's minimum qualifications.

Who determines the process for AA's WO newhire selection? I'd guess more about quantity than quality at this point. Where's the quality control for these entitled to future AA class spots?

The WO airlines determine who they hire, and seniority determines who flows. Survive their gauntlet long enough, you get to go to AA.

Yep, plus we got more to worry about going forward into our next contract.