ATTRITION 25% Well Done SPIRIT!!!!!!!! - Page 5

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NK Bumble Bee , 11-23-2017 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by flyboyike

Considering that these same FOs spent a few years and a few thousand hours doing 5-6-leg days in all sorts of fun places like the Nasty Northeast, I'm reasonably confident they'll get me from FLL to IAH in one piece.

I'm currently on a trip with a 6-month F/O who has more international experience than I do, has more type ratings than I do, and even speaks more languages than I do (mind you, I speak four).

There are outliers in every group but this is by no means the norm with the new hires of late.

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BusterBust , 11-23-2017 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NK Bumble Bee

There are outliers in every group but this is by no means the norm with the new hires of late.

For every 1 of those guys we have 9 who ask what an FIR boundary is and can’t seem to manage the radios on the taxi until you bring the plane to a full stop while they search for a ramp frequency. “Oh, they have a ramp?”

#43

Macjet , 11-23-2017 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Planepirate

Attrition: Total pilots who left/ total pilots. 5.5%. We got it. What I’m trying to explain to you is that you are ignorant for arguing with the OP. His title of “25% attrition”, is not really true in general terms of how it is usually calculated, but he showed his math with factual numbers. Is it not possible that a perspective new hire could be scrolling through the forums and see that and say to himself “wow 25% attrition. Things must be bad at Spirit. I don’t want to work there”. So therefore why would you argue with that? I personally don’t feel the need to correct him. Plus you could argue that you can calculate all kinds of different attrition. Example: “under age 40 attrition” could be calculated by taking the pilots under 40 who left divided by the total pilots under 40. I would call the OP’s calculations (total who left / total hired) “net new hire attrition” etc.

I swear, Spirit Airlines could asses each passenger with a “chemtrail neutralizer tax” of $1 per ticket and use that to pay the pilots industry leading pay, yet we would have people like you yelling and screaming about how chemtrails aren’t real lol. Not me. I’d be like “heck yeah they’re real”

No, there is only one way to calculate attrition. And I would hope that a potential applicant to Spirit would rely on and receive facts about a career decision rather than basing it purely on your emotionally driven rhetoric. There is sufficient factual information to dissuade a quality candidate away from Spirit without us resorting the half-truths and lies.

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flensr , 11-23-2017 08:06 PM

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So, I wonder what the full-year attrition number will be. Higher or lower than 25%? With attrition so far coming to a full 25% of the number of people hired, will we see higher than 25% attrition by the end of the year? Plus United should start hiring again early next year, maybe that'll put us way above 25%.

p.s. the science is settled, it was 25% attrition. pbbbthththhthtthhtth

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UNSUBSCRIBE , 11-24-2017 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BusterBust

Nailed it......

#46

dn_wisconsin , 11-24-2017 09:24 AM

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I've got to admit, reading this is hilarious. Any of you in the training department to actually know what's changing or just heard rumors? Better yet who told you Jyri got in trouble? We had one, ONE new hire without an ATP. It was an exception because of who that person knew. Will that change? Maybe. The footprint for training is changing, yes but don't expect an extra sim anytime soon. Things are being moved around and updated. Hopefully, by the end of the year the new syllabus will be out. As for the extra sim session, you can probably expect to see that when the FAA requires upset training. Think that's Q1 of 2019. Research level E simulator.

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UNSUBSCRIBE , 11-24-2017 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin

Id love to know why training is changing......

Is it to imrpove the program or to better accommodate low time guys?

Be honest

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dn_wisconsin , 11-24-2017 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE

Id love to know why training is changing......

Is it to imrpove the program or to better accommodate low time guys?

Be honest

Flat out truth, it's some of both.

The current syllabus is old and there haven't been updates in years. Also, our new DOT sees we need to do more for the lower time new hires. This program wasn't designed for that.

Great example of that is we are now using that fancy non motion FTD in DFW. We need it because we don't have enough TSTs but believe me it hasn't gone unnoticed how much ahead the new hires are who use it when they get to the sim.

Unfortunately, a TST is $200k-$300k. That FTD is $1 million. Guess what we're buying more of?

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Qotsaautopilot , 11-24-2017 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin

Someone should suggest an industry standard contract so we can attract more experienced applicants and don’t have to “do more” for lower time new hires. I imagine that they haven’t thought of that one.

#50

wt93205 , 11-26-2017 01:23 PM

Hold my beer, watch this.

Just hire FSX gamers. They already fly the thing better then real RJ pilots.