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Old 11-20-2017, 07:58 PM
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BTW one person just got 12 hours plus of left training as a new hire. The FAA is watching. It sure does look like they've run all over the POI and have gotten away with murder for a long time now.
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Old 11-20-2017, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Super EZ E View Post
It's absolutely jaw dropping. The story I got the POI said you're adding another sim to the footprint. Euro got ****ed and the comment was made you won't like the next step if you don't add the sim. Spirit training has the attention of Washington DC FAA is the rumor. I was also told the POI was called to DC to discuss Spirit. Hum...
And our POI is a good dude, he doesn't break balls just to do it like most Fed's.
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Old 11-21-2017, 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Super EZ E View Post
It's absolutely jaw dropping. The story I got the POI said you're adding another sim to the footprint. Euro got ****ed and the comment was made you won't like the next step if you don't add the sim. Spirit training has the attention of Washington DC FAA is the rumor. I was also told the POI was called to DC to discuss Spirit. Hum...
I’m sure it is a concern. We have very new captains paired with FO’s that have only spent a few years at a regional with a few thousand hours. Add this to our growth rate and our smallest footprint in the industry training. It’s a recipe for disaster in the making. All our data points to trends going the wrong way and it concerns our safety department and gate keepers.
Corporate greed and profits have blinded our management.
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Old 11-23-2017, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Macjet View Post
Probably because our attrition was not 25%. In fact, we grew the pilot ranks by 20% from the beginning of 2017 through today from 1500 to 1800 (round numbers).

400 hired? We didn't have 25% attrition there either. 100 left but not entirely from these 400 bodies. We had people leave that were hired in previous years so they aren't in that 400.

With 1800 on property and 100 leaving that is a YTD attrition of 5.3%. Not a good APC Thread Title but facts nonetheless. 25% attrition would be closer to 475 having left which would have shut the airline down.
Attrition: Total pilots who left/ total pilots. 5.5%. We got it. What I’m trying to explain to you is that you are ignorant for arguing with the OP. His title of “25% attrition”, is not really true in general terms of how it is usually calculated, but he showed his math with factual numbers. Is it not possible that a perspective new hire could be scrolling through the forums and see that and say to himself “wow 25% attrition. Things must be bad at Spirit. I don’t want to work there”. So therefore why would you argue with that? I personally don’t feel the need to correct him. Plus you could argue that you can calculate all kinds of different attrition. Example: “under age 40 attrition” could be calculated by taking the pilots under 40 who left divided by the total pilots under 40. I would call the OP’s calculations (total who left / total hired) “net new hire attrition” etc.

I swear, Spirit Airlines could asses each passenger with a “chemtrail neutralizer tax” of $1 per ticket and use that to pay the pilots industry leading pay, yet we would have people like you yelling and screaming about how chemtrails aren’t real lol. Not me. I’d be like “heck yeah they’re real”
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Old 11-23-2017, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Planepirate View Post
I swear, Spirit Airlines could asses each passenger with a “chemtrail neutralizer tax” of $1 per ticket and use that to pay the pilots industry leading pay, yet we would have people like you yelling and screaming about how chemtrails aren’t real lol. Not me. I’d be like “heck yeah they’re real”
This says so much about you... wow...
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Old 11-23-2017, 08:56 AM
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OMG. Chemtrail neutralizing hand sanitizer. For. The. Win!
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Old 11-23-2017, 09:40 AM
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OMG. Chemtrail neutralizing hand sanitizer. For. The. Win!
Sadly in this world it would probably sell. On the shelf next to the air purifiers
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Old 11-23-2017, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyBoat View Post
This says so much about you... wow...
What does it say? Life is more pleasant if you embrace mankind’s stupidity instead of fighting it.
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Old 11-23-2017, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Planepirate View Post
Life is more pleasant if you embrace mankind’s stupidity instead of fighting it.
Can I use that line?
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Old 11-23-2017, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyondawall View Post
I’m sure it is a concern. We have very new captains paired with FO’s that have only spent a few years at a regional with a few thousand hours. Add this to our growth rate and our smallest footprint in the industry training. It’s a recipe for disaster in the making. All our data points to trends going the wrong way and it concerns our safety department and gate keepers.
Corporate greed and profits have blinded our management.
Considering that these same FOs spent a few years and a few thousand hours doing 5-6-leg days in all sorts of fun places like the Nasty Northeast, I'm reasonably confident they'll get me from FLL to IAH in one piece.

I'm currently on a trip with a 6-month F/O who has more international experience than I do, has more type ratings than I do, and even speaks more languages than I do (mind you, I speak four).
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