You mean you got rubber stamped.

I don't think a checkride is really required, there's no skill or judgement required to operate flaps, gear, or prop. You just set the lever to the correct position at the correct time. It's more about remembering to do it. If anything flaps are the hard part, and that's a technicality since 99.9% of us learned to fly with flaps anyway.

First time posting here. FAR 61.129 says you need 10 hours of training in a complex aircraft, but do you need the actual complex endorsement from the instructor to satisfy that requirement for the commercial Checkride? Or I am missing another reg where you must have the endorsement? Based on my reading most can get this endorsement with less than 10 hours dual is that the case?, wanted to know to plan for my budget... ((ii) 10 hours of training in an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a single-engine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller; )

You don't need ten hours for the endorsement. PPL's can and do get the endorsement. You need ten hours for the CPL. You should get the endorsement before the CPL checkride (no reason not to with ten hours complex time), but I don't think the actual endorsement is required to have a CPL. Technically.

But you do need ten hours of complex training (ie dual) in order to take the CPL ride... the endorsement is not enough if you don't have ten hours.

okay gotcha! I imagine it would be very uncommon or not legal? if one does not get the complex endorsement gets a CFI without it, then give dual in a complex for their student's Commercial training

I'd have to dig through the regs, but an instructor is going to have to be fully rated for any plane he plans to teach in, and some category/class have specific hour requirements. So yes it would be very unusual to have a CPL/CFI without a complex endorsement, and that person could not fly or teach in a complex plane. But we're just splitting regulatory hairs, any CFI who gave you the ten hours for the CPL would give you the endorsement too. But if he forgot, then yes I think you could have a CPL but not be legal to fly a complex plane.



There are probably some airline pilots who don't have a complex endorsement... it's not needed for the military, and jets are not complex.