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Per my pool letter it states that I can update my qualifications by sending my updated resume via fax. Anyone do that and see a quicker invite to class? I think I’m going to start faxing in after every flight! 😂

Not saying I did it right, but I did update at least monthly and when i got the call, she said that she "received my updated info..." (paraphrased). Maybe if you have emails for anyone, as in they gave you a business card, you can also let them know you've updated via fax and give them the info. I also used my FAA medical renew as a perfect opportunity, or you could use a new crew visa as well (I was about to send off for my China and India visas).

Basically, think of ways to show you're still interested while balancing that fine line between pest and gentle reminders. If you have folks that gave you internal recs, see if they can walk in to talk with the hiring team, too.

Having lived in Saudi Arabia taught me a few things and of them was patience. You've got to have patience in this process, it seems. I'm certainly no expert as I'm only speaking from my one, single experience so results may vary.

A. Where do we find info on what else UPS does?
B. Sim eval? Didn't know they did that- any way to prepare for it? What aircraft sim do they use?

A. The internet.

B1. Make sure your basic instrument flying skills are polished. Get some time in a Frasca type of device or desktop sim and practice the profiles published in the gouge.

B2. Whatever’s available in the sim bay at that time. So it can be 75/76, A300, or MD11. Be ready for steam gauges or glass and raw data. It’s to see how you fly, not how you fly a heavy.

If by chance it’s a 75/76... wear loafers with tassels. [emoji12]....... [emoji23]



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A: Learning about UPS (or any major airline where you finish your career) -
How do you eat a whale? One bite at a time! Dedicate a couple hours per day a few days per week and make it your job to learn if this is a place for you or not, if this is a viable company or not, if they have their ducks in a row or not. Talk to current UPS pilots. Talk to UPS drivers (maybe not so easy 'cause they're on a time schedule), talk to UPS staff at the UPS Store. Remember, this is a CAREER position. You had better know you want to be at UPS before you take up your last job of your career because otherwise, you will be wasting your time, UPS's time, your possible seniority number at a different airline, etc. Some probably put hundreds of hours into research on UPS. To do that, here's a quick and dirty gouge on how to learn about UPS.

Start here. https://www.ups.com/us/en/about.page? and follow all the links.

And here. https://www.ups.com/us/en/services.page? and go through the tabs labeled "Solutions," "Industries," "Challenges," and "Business size." Watch vids, read the pages, click all the links.

On the UPS website, scroll down and go through all the "COMPANY INFO" links like Sustainability and Community Involvement, Investor relations, Media relations.

https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...parcel_service

Got to YouTube and search for UPS commercials, UPS videos, etc.

Read the forums on APC, *************, etc.

Go to the Ready Set Takeoff UPS Facebook page.

Compare wages at https://www.pilotcontracts.org/

Read these books in order of importance:
1) How to Ace Your UPS Pilot Interview by John Steinbeck. SHORT read

2) Leadership Lessons from a UPS Driver: Delivering a Culture of We, Not Me by Ron Wallace

3) Big Brown: The Untold Story of UPS by Greg Niemann

4) The Package King: A Rank and File History of United Parcel Service by Mr. Joseph O. Allen Paperback. This one is more of a negative viewpoint on UPS compared to the others but at least now you have more than just one viewpoint.


B: SIM for the eval?
The 757, 767 or used most. Then the A300. Possibly the MD11 (doubtful, but not impossible)?

They really care if you know about their company? You’re interviewing to FLY A PLANE. They need to get over themselves.
No wonder they (and others) complain about the lack of pilots.

Quit the BS games.

Sounds like you have been rejected. Why shouldn’t a company take some pride in themselves and care about who they are hiring and why shouldn’t you know a little about the company that you are trying to get on with? They aren’t the only company who asks questions about the the company you are trying to get hired by.

Understand
but..
1. UPS isn't an airline
Corporate Profile | UPS

No where do they talk about the airline in this profile. They operate one but Corporate HQ drives the hiring process across all 20+ subsidiaries.

2. UPS doesn't interview anyone to fly an airplane, they focus on the future UPS employee and will this person fit their needs as listed above, think Hogan profile that several companies use. It's not about flying. Don't pass the Hogan (as other companies that fly planes use), flying skills matters not. As pilots, our entry gate is our flying experience and 99.9% simply want to fly their airplanes. They offer the interview for a "flight officer" job based on past flying experience. Like any company, you will learn to fly their way or go home.

3. UPS has more than enough applicants. Pilot shortage isn't a function of lack of very qualified applicants. Corporate just didn't think they needed more....

4. Most get hired to just fly an airplane and have a good career. However, to get hired, it's their show. Not the applicants. UPS doesn't seemed concerned enough to get over themselves, BS and all. That is up to the applicant. Would argue the legacies and FedEx et al are pretty similar in that regard.
YMMV
Cheers