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guppie , 06-30-2018 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Octaflugaron

OUTSTANDING reply, brother. Want your union to REALLY work for you? Make membership optional! There is hope....keep the faith. Change gonna come.

Octa

Membership is always optional. You don't have to join the union. You just have to pay your fair share (association fee) of it's cost. After all, Duty of Fair Representation is the law. It states that if your job is covered by a CBA, you will receive the same hard fought pay and bennies as members...even as a nonmember. 'Right to Work' just allows you to be a nonmember AND a freeloader. 'Bankrupt the Unions' is what the legislation should be called. Once the union is gone, we can all fly heavies for Skywest, dba UA,DL, and AA. It'll be swell.

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GogglesPisano , 06-30-2018 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by guppie

No kidding. I’m always amazed that so many airline pilots don’t understand this.

I’m curious how allowing freeloaders to leach, starving unions of dues and allowing guys to negotiate (guaranteed) lower compensation packages individually is going to foster “competition” between unions.

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Grumble , 06-30-2018 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano

That’s not what it’s about... if they can get us fighting each other and depressing our own wages (which is why they hire SCABS) then we’re doing mgmts job for them.

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UASCOMPILOT , 06-30-2018 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr

But earlier....

Yeah, the union did.

Funny how folks are climbing all over each other to get the good major airline jobs but can’t quite put their finger on WHY they are better than other jobs in aviation flying the same equipment.

Exactly! I pay almost 2% to ALPA so why not ask and I appreciate the response I got. But then again I didn't say anything about ALPA! Were talking about union representation as a whole! Face it unions are in a decline most people figured it out that the 1 to 2% they pay in each check is becoming payment to line politicans pockets then a fee for representation!

Any way I'm done! Most you guys never been in a real union and have no idea what its actually like walk away from an job or standing in front of a non union shop for days blocking traffic and making sure no union/non union drivers enter their property! Plus the days driving around with our union rep cold calling jobs and trying to unionize crews in our local area! Unions aren't just about pizza parts guys!

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Slaphappy , 06-30-2018 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by guppie

Big win for the Trump Administration. And guess how many of those 150 co-sponsors of National Right to Work legislation are Democrats? Yep. None. Back the PAC!

Supreme Court Ruling on Janus vs. AFSCME

Yesterday's Supreme Court ruling on Janus vs. AFSCME overruled a four-decade-old precedent and is a major loss for the public-sector workers who join together and collectively bargain for their pay, work rules, and benefits.

This decision allows some employees the ability to ride the coattails of union workers. In the short term, these "free riders" will gain an advantage without contributing the dues money, time, or effort needed to improve their lives. In the long term, the reduced resources will affect everyone. Although this is a setback to organized labor, the overwhelming majority of workers understand that remaining unified is the best way to fight back against efforts to silence our collective voice.

The Janus decision applies to public-sector unions and does not change the laws affecting ALPA membership. However, the so-called "right to work" legislation being pushed in Congress by a minority group of Republicans seeks to achieve similar goals for non-public unions. There are currently 122 co-sponsors in the House, which is below the 218 required for passage, and 28 co-sponsors in the Senate.

The UAL MEC Legislative Affairs Committee is working closely with ALPA National's Government Affairs team to ensure our representatives in Congress know that ALPA pilots are united in our opposition to this legislation. You can help our efforts by joining ALPA-PAC and United Pilot PAC (UP-PAC) via these links:

Good I support this.
Also now the democrats lose a chunk of their funding.

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Slaphappy , 06-30-2018 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by APC225

Listened to an interview with Janus. Interviewer pressed him as to why he brought suit and he kept saying that by being forced to pay dues he was forced into giving up his Constitutional freedom of association, forced into giving up his Constitutional freedom of speech. Wished the interviewer had just asked, "Who forced you to work there? Why not just leave?"

You shouldn't be forced to pay to a union. Also public sector unions shouldn't even be allowed.

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guppie , 06-30-2018 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Slaphappy

You shouldn't be forced to pay to a union. Also public sector unions shouldn't even be allowed.

Pay your dues or get terminated. It’s that simple. See the contract. 😎

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guppie , 06-30-2018 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by UASCOMPILOT

Face it unions are in a decline most people figured it out that the 1 to 2% they pay in each check is becoming payment to line politicans pockets then a fee for representation!

Not in the airline biznez!! We signed up Jetblue, Frontier, and Virgin just in the last 5 years!! 😎

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Slaphappy , 06-30-2018 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by guppie

Pay your dues or get terminated. It’s that simple. See the contract. 😎

For now, we'll see the next time this goes to the court.

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FliesInSoup , 06-30-2018 01:45 PM

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Looks as though some pilots are wanting to recoup 2% of their wages now in favor of giving up 50% of their wages later; not to mention their QOL...