They aren’t negative attitudes due to negative people. These posts come from experience and management culture. Non creative welcome aboard. Please reread this thread in six months to a year for perspective

“because I'm trying to stick up for a company who I believe in and trying to get me to turn away hurts Envoy,”

Envoy management turned their back on 1000 pilots a few years ago and told them to restart at psa or piedmont. Your not going to make a hurt difference.

Thanks. Thought better of it

While I am somewhat new to the company I can wholeheartedly say that you shouldn’t be sticking up for this company, or any airline really. There is a sharp divide between Managment and labor and the company will not stick up for you beyond what they are legally required too. Your Union is the one that does that, in therory.

Anyway, I have had a fantastic experience with Envoy crews so far, so don’t misinterpret what people are saying. Lots of the posters on here were around during the **** days and watched the company screw them over without mercy, so while you have a very optimistic and positive approach to it, others see the writing on the wall.

My biggest fear as that all of this optimism and positive advancement is going to make our pilot group complacent and when things go to hell, which they will again, we won’t have any seasoned union guys/gals to step up.

It’s easy to be rosy and starry eyed when the company is throwing money around but understand, the very moment they don’t have to, they won’t. The company is playing nice for their benefit, not ours.

Lastly, like I said, I have had a great experience and hope it continues, just don’t come on here expecting those that have seen the dark side to just roll over.

Bravo!!! I felt the same as you, not knowing the guy, I felt bad reading some of the post about the guy! It makes this REGIONAL AIRLINE look really bad and unprofessional to bad mouth someone publicly or publicly try to shame him without knowing him or who he is as a person. It’s unprofessional.

When I first came here it was the culture and image of eagle pilots I admired most, along with bonus, better pay, half a decade land of milk & honey flow.

But there are folks here that think just because they have been here XX amount of years (too long), their voice is greater and grander than someone else and that humble factor that is a admirable character is non-existent. I respect longevity I really do. But to tarnish another persons character out of JEALOUSY is very tacky, unprofessional, and lady dog (bishhy).


Op, pass on to Swayne & to you also that online perspective of a few are not a indication of the large majority or the masses! Welcome Onboard! Large Majority of the pilots on here and in the fleet is and will be very glad to have you & looking forward to flying with you and hearing of the overall life experiences you’ve had.

I too felt sick reading posts on here abt that guy, I had log in issues and could not post,. And quite frankly I was sick of reading the haters & jealous folks posts, I took a break from APC, and went back to “JC” com where the overall pilots there are a lot more professional & with character.

These online forums can be depressing and harsh and not reflect reality sometime. Overall there are many things such as Reserve rules and pay/soft pay, QOL issues that need fixing, but overall, I have to say this Airline (due to industry trends and pressure) is a much better place to work than years ago.

The industry is changing so fast OP, continue to think long-term if you were stuck at a regional where would you go, since it will not always be roses! Continue to ask yourself, outside the flow (pay, QOL, crap Flight files and schedules from mainline, health care, Retirement, 401K, soft pay, contract language, 12yr+ CA Pay long term if you were stuck here), would you come here ? Or go to Endeavor, Republic, Air Wisconsin, (or even Piedmont with 300% OT), etc. overall, something for all interested to consider.

Your a good person for standing up to the inter-web text bullies!

Personally, never touch the stuff myself(doesn't mix well with Bacardi or Vodka)...

Thank you, I appreciate that! Idk I feel bad about the past guys but they like to take it out on the younger crowd as if we were at fault for the industry is the way it is today.


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Have you tried Grey Goose? You might like that if you could afford it with that Skywest pay (sorry I just had to get a jab in there couldn't pass up that opportunity [emoji12])

Seriously though, I hope you guys do get a better contract soon.


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Being so idealistic is commendable. Like rookie police officers. Ready to save the world. The one thing I always like to caution. It’s just a job. No one owes you a thing. So when you get let down by something or you get jammed up...it’s business as usual. Keep your head up and ride out. Because big corporations are too big to fail and “camaraderie” is an old word that isn’t really used much anymore unfortunately.

True. But if they **** everyone off collectively only then will it become a problem, which I don’t think they are trying to actively do. To me I hope this isn’t a job because I’m very passionate about flying in general and that’s not working to me. It’s just depressing seeing guys who have given up to come on here and rip on a company that isn’t even that bad


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Dude you don't even work here how could you have any idea that it isn't even that bad. Good luck on reserve bet showing up to the airport at 6 am 7 times a month to sit and do nothing for 8 hours at a time won't even be that bad.