I'd like to make a simple post highlighting the number of upgrades over the past 13 months.

Sep '17: 6 upgrades
Oct '17 : 0 upgrades
Nov '17: 0 upgrades
Dec '17: 0 upgrades
Jan '18: 6 upgrades
Feb '18: 12 upgrades
Mar '18: 16 upgrades
Apr '18: 0 upgrades
May '18: 16 upgrades
Jun '18: 0 upgrades
Jul '18: 14 upgrades
Aug '18: 0 upgrades
Sep '18: 6 upgrades

Total upgrades in 13 months: 76.
76 upgrades divided by 13 months = avg 5.8 upgrades per month.

Currently ~ 1300 pilots on the seniority list.

I am fully aware that fleet growth and upgrade times are dynamic. But simple math shows that the 2 year upgrade times that have been touted here by recruiting are not remotely accurate.


Do the math. Educate yourself if you're thinking about a career at Frontier.

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I upgraded at NK when we hit 1250, we were consistently doing 12 a month back then, doing close to 20 since. My math at progression has been pretty good by looking at the delivery schedule, that tells you everything you need to know.

The delivery “schedule” is out the window if the current rumor is true. That rumor being that the FAA is throttling our grown plans.

Exactly. 6 upgrades covers retirements and attrition. These latest upgrades won't hit the line until the January bid. So the company knows that no new aircraft are corning until the spring at best.

The growth here is a charade. Anyone banking on quick upgrades here needs to take notice. I'm a 3 year FO, with a minimum of 2-3 more years to go. I was told 2 year upgrades and a contract right around the corner when I was recruited. All lies.

Expected plane totals:
2018-83
2019-98
2020-113
2021-125
2022-2026-“adding” 134

The problem, they can’t hire pilots. Nobody wants to come here with good reason. It’s only getting worse. Soon there will be 100% of vacations cancelledto fix their problem. When that doesn’t happen then we will see progress on a contract. Until then, we keep living the nightmare that is frontier. The thing is, hopefully pilots don’t jump at their first “reasonable offer” that will be still substandard. We need to stick together and demand the fair contract we deserve. I have no idea why they have delayed this for so long that it is literally destroying this company when they could just pay us and continue printing money at the same time. So when they actually do start to come to the negotiating table, that is when we need to stick our ground and wait till they offer an industry standard contract. It won’t take long because they will be in such a bind at that point that they will have no other choice. Plus that retro check that just keeps building as they continue to kick the can. Their fault, not ours. Stay off the radar and don’t use your phone unless they want to start paying for their use.

Source? Numbers seem right until your last 4 years where (supposedly) we take delivery of 134 airplanes, not have 134 on property.

My bad, adding 134 to the fleet. (100 320 neo’s And 34 321neos’s) Numbers are accurate as of a few days ago.

So wether the company likes it or not, they have to give us a contract to survive. What dingle Barry fails to realize is that the pilots are his biggest assets and could be his biggest cost saving devices. But when he’s guaranteed 22 mil no matter whether he’s fired or let go, let it riiiiiiide. He has no skin in the game. Gets paid regardless. Industry standard and retro. No more, no less

We’ve all been told the same line to get us in here. I could have held the last 3 staffing awards as Capt but instead have been updating my resumes for real Airlines. That should give and idea to the new hires. Upgrade or be a pilot at a company that actually values you instead of considering you a cost index. Make your choice. Hopefully I have departure news soon. Your not right in the head if you wanna come here right now.

I don’t know how I forgot this...

But a buddy told me (from somebody else) that new somebody... see where I’m going?

The newest thing is we are about to run a program for restricted ATP pilots, starting in December. Yes. You might fly with a guy with less than 1500 hrs.

We all know where this is heading... new captains and new private pilots(basically) carrying 230 pax... just wait for the inevitable...

So WHY IS ALPA NOT PROMOTING THIS AND GOING TO NEWS OUTLETS WITH THIS? Safety #1? Bs. This needs to get out to the public

Yep you are exactly right “need a real job”. Most of my class is thinking the very same way. We all came to F9 from crappy regionals, we were hopeful that F9 would work out. If it didn’t we would punch out. Well, now most of my class is updating apps. Four have already left. More will soon.