To be fair, you've also said you are single with no kids. IF that means you have more flexibility on which days you're free to Delta (more so than your average newer pilot might), your admittedly awesome setup may not transfer to the masses. Working 18-20 days could be the price others have to pay to guarantee they're off for childcare duties or to work around a spouse's obligations.

I think most of us agree that variety is a good thing. Proper manning seems to be one key to effecting schedule flexibility.

Huge productivity concession that never stops producing on the management side.

Usually advocated by pilots who can’t hold anything bigger than the 7ER and want 765 pay.

To the OP: the pay disparity is a reflection of the productivity difference in number of employees (in this case 2-4 pilots) moving greater number of seats/cargo.

For me to vote yes on this I will need to see a much larger pay raise than I expect. Or some other dramatic improvement over what we would get without it.

Will pilotless jets have this same conversation in a few decades?

I'm a strong supporter of United/AA style paybanding. IMO it is a near necessity with our widebody fleet heavily weighted towards the A330. Our 330/765 pilots make less than their AA/UAL counterparts. Similar banding instantly raises aircraft at top payrate from around 30 to 90+

Something that bothers me about "top payrate" talk is that it is always by # of aircraft or aircraft block hours. It should be number of pilot positions. UAL and AA gave up a CA on 4 pilot crews so we have a higher number of CA positions on our widebodies per airframe than they do. I am sure Delta would be happy to give us pay banding in exchange for giving up all of those positions we have that they don't.

Remember the United pilots have all seniority list instructors. Do you think management will eliminate DGS instructors?

Pay banding is a huge benefit to the company and QOL hit for the pilots. If it's in the next contract, I'm going to need some massive improvements across the board.

And to all the people posting specific hours and pay you'd be willing to accept, please stop. There is a long history of screenshots from this forum being used in negotiations against us.

14,500 pilots on the list, and you're worried that anonymous PilotPilot69 will tube our negotiations via posts on APC? And there's a long history of this?!

You're either hopelessly lost in conspiracy land, or our negotiations truly are a farce.

Our hourly rate is slightly less. We don’t however make less money.

Nope.

With longevity pay one bids the airplane, domicile, or type of flying they want without regard to income. Longevity pay allows IPA pilots to have the highest weighted average top-of-scale payrate in both seats per the Delta 2018 Contract Comparison.

Of course, payrate certainly isn't everything when it comes to a contract but IMO there are significant benefits to having as many pilots as possible in as high a given payrate as possible.

I do understand the QOL arguments against it though, because if I were at Delta I'd most likely try to stay on a small narrowbody (assuming the schedules were acceptable) in order to maximize seniority.

There's enough differences between the nature of flying at Delta and UPS that making a direct comparison on many things is difficult.

I say go get yours, whatever that may look like..."A rising tide raises all ships"

Correct thanks for clarifying that. I meant our 330 and 765 guys should make the same or more hourly.