Pay Banding in C2019...
10-07-2018, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble
Huge productivity concession that never stops producing on the management side.
Usually advocated by pilots who can’t hold anything bigger than the 7ER and want 765 pay.
To the OP: the pay disparity is a reflection of the productivity difference in number of employees (in this case 2-4 pilots) moving greater number of seats/cargo.
For me to vote yes on this I will need to see a much larger pay raise than I expect. Or some other dramatic improvement over what we would get without it.
Will pilotless jets have this same conversation in a few decades?
Usually advocated by pilots who can’t hold anything bigger than the 7ER and want 765 pay.
To the OP: the pay disparity is a reflection of the productivity difference in number of employees (in this case 2-4 pilots) moving greater number of seats/cargo.
For me to vote yes on this I will need to see a much larger pay raise than I expect. Or some other dramatic improvement over what we would get without it.
Will pilotless jets have this same conversation in a few decades?
Originally Posted by gzsg
Remember the United pilots have all seniority list instructors. Do you think management will eliminate DGS instructors?
Originally Posted by LumberJack
Pay banding is a huge benefit to the company and QOL hit for the pilots. If it's in the next contract, I'm going to need some massive improvements across the board.
And to all the people posting specific hours and pay you'd be willing to accept, please stop. There is a long history of screenshots from this forum being used in negotiations against us.
And to all the people posting specific hours and pay you'd be willing to accept, please stop. There is a long history of screenshots from this forum being used in negotiations against us.
10-07-2018, 05:55 AM
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Just to be clear pay banding has not be shown at AMR or UAL to have much effect on the number of training events and as such does not produce a big benefit to the company. What the company is going to want to reduce training events is longer freezes. The company has had opportunity after oppoortunity to try and get pay banding and they have never asked. They know the numbers.
10-07-2018, 05:58 AM
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Posted HansSolo:
I would say this is advocated by pilots who don't WANT to hold 765. I tried international and didn't like it which means I'll likely never hold a pay rate higher than 7er by choice. Having 7er banded to 777 would be a benefit for senior pilots who just don't like WB flying.
UAL’s pay banding puts the 757 in a lower pay category than the 767ER. If we push paybanding Delta will want the same. There will be no widebody domestic flying or rates.
I would say this is advocated by pilots who don't WANT to hold 765. I tried international and didn't like it which means I'll likely never hold a pay rate higher than 7er by choice. Having 7er banded to 777 would be a benefit for senior pilots who just don't like WB flying.
UAL’s pay banding puts the 757 in a lower pay category than the 767ER. If we push paybanding Delta will want the same. There will be no widebody domestic flying or rates.
10-07-2018, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
UAL’s pay banding puts the 757 in a lower pay category than the 767ER. If we push paybanding Delta will want the same. There will be no widebody domestic flying or rates.
10-07-2018, 06:53 AM
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Having 767-400 be it's own category seems pretty dumb to me. If what I hear is accurate, a pilot going to that category learns all the 757/767 stuff anyway.
In our ever-expanding sea of fleet types, I think that consolidation would make sense. Trade the job losses for more and better-paid vacation... and pay all the ERs the -400 rate!
In our ever-expanding sea of fleet types, I think that consolidation would make sense. Trade the job losses for more and better-paid vacation... and pay all the ERs the -400 rate!
10-07-2018, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Remember the United pilots have all seniority list instructors. Do you think management will eliminate DGS instructors?
10-07-2018, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Posted HansSolo:
I would say this is advocated by pilots who don't WANT to hold 765. I tried international and didn't like it which means I'll likely never hold a pay rate higher than 7er by choice. Having 7er banded to 777 would be a benefit for senior pilots who just don't like WB flying.
UAL’s pay banding puts the 757 in a lower pay category than the 767ER. If we push paybanding Delta will want the same. There will be no widebody domestic flying or rates.
I would say this is advocated by pilots who don't WANT to hold 765. I tried international and didn't like it which means I'll likely never hold a pay rate higher than 7er by choice. Having 7er banded to 777 would be a benefit for senior pilots who just don't like WB flying.
UAL’s pay banding puts the 757 in a lower pay category than the 767ER. If we push paybanding Delta will want the same. There will be no widebody domestic flying or rates.
10-07-2018, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Having 767-400 be it's own category seems pretty dumb to me. If what I hear is accurate, a pilot going to that category learns all the 757/767 stuff anyway.
In our ever-expanding sea of fleet types, I think that consolidation would make sense. Trade the job losses for more and better-paid vacation... and pay all the ERs the -400 rate!
In our ever-expanding sea of fleet types, I think that consolidation would make sense. Trade the job losses for more and better-paid vacation... and pay all the ERs the -400 rate!
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