The toxic culture at LAA can be traced back to the Bob Crandall and Don Carty B-scale brain trust of the 1980s. As soon as that little gem was ushered in, it immediately sent a message to the new hire pilots essentially telling them, We don’t think you’re worth half of what your fellow pilots are worth. Bam, an immediate pitting of the pilot group against each other. (Yes, those new hires must have known what they were getting in to.) Followed immediately by the introduction of “all jobs at AA are equal.” So bring in the agents, F/As, rampers, etc... all claiming that their jobs are all on even footing with the pilots. Bam, every employee group against each other.

Today’s toxic culture is very much a product of that. It’s in the LAA DNA...especially at the middle management level, a lot of pilot haters there. Sad, really.

Bottom line, treat others the way you’d want to be treated. Makes for a pleasant trip and overall great interactions with everyone.

I keep hearing this about middle managers and that they are the ones who really run the show. Any truth to AA having way more middle management than other airlines? I’m sure they were artificially fat on them with the merger.

Wasn't it announced that they were eliminating many middle management positions a couple of months ago?

No. Shoot the Plotter or upload Tron into the Sabre matrix to fight the evil Plotter.

Naw, they crusty old farts will just be replaced with new crusty old farts that were previously crusty young farts. Trust me, there are plenty of those here.

It’s better when viewed from the left seat.

I worked for the best airline in the world (IMHO), the biggest and the in between. I’ve dealt with unhappy pilots at all. It’s the person more than the situation.

I think the internet makes people unhappy. Now every problem, every slight is shared so we all feel as it’s happening to us.

Where the F is this vacancy award

When do the 2nd year pay rates start for new hires? Is it the completion of training date or date of hire?

Why don’t you take your ‘happy days’ attitude and go fly a kite? Some of us want to be miserable and wallowing in it is even better! ;-))))

Guys trying to get hired read posts and wonder if they should even apply. Then they get here and realize the *****ing is such a tiny portion of the pilot corps. Laughing, especially stupid laughter, is more likely to occur. And if you’re not laughing there’s always the next trip. If, after three trips, you’re still not remembering laughing at work you need to rethink the answer to “what if it’s me?”

Al called it. This isn’t nafarious, it always takes about 3 weeks rounded to the next Friday to come out. Nothing to see here.

Wasn’t the closing date 10/31? Tomorrow will be ten business days.