Al Czervik

That’s what I don’t get.

450knotOffice

Not sure why. Management here has always been antagonistic with labor. It’s deeply ingrained in their management culture. I think it started back in the Crandal era.

sherpster

Maybe its the employees and not the management. I havent been at AA long enough to know for sure but other than the recent crap with commuter misses being entered into some PEH system I really havent seen that much jerkiness from management. Chiefs seems overly easy to talk to you, management seems to be trying to put information out and fix issues that are brought to them, and management sure does welcome new hires to the company in the right way. Maybe I need to put the KoolAide down.

Al Czervik

I don’t disagree.

Name User

Revisionist history. No one at LUS loved their job. On OE, my first leg ever, the CKA gave his crew brief. "We need to take care of ourselves because the company won't".

The LUS agents system wide were bitter, they absolutely hated their jobs.

Were you at LUS when hotels were denying crews stay there due to lack of payment? The company was promising to reimburse if you used a personal credit card.

The VAST majority of "LUS" on this board were hired in the 2013 time frame after the merger was announced. We had absolutely zero expectation to continue working for Airways. And honestly, had the merger not gone through, how many of you guys wouldn't have apps out? I had an offer from a LCC and seriously considered that over LUS.

I see the same thing in the TWA guys, they were so proud of their company, they bleed TWA red. When you ask, how long were you there, "oh a year until AA bought us!". Seriously dude? TWA was a craphole carrier at that point with rates that made Airways look good but it was a close knit company. I get that. Airways only had 3000 pilots on so on the East.

Sliceback

44% for the East, 50% for the West, after B fund is included. But the work rules....the work rules.... As a junior FO said the other day "pay is QOL."

450knotOffice

My dealings with base chiefs has been good recently. However, I’ve heard that the chiefs used to be much more forceful, and less understanding and/or lenient. I think a lot of the distrust with LAA folks toward management is due to the two decades of near constant give backs to the company in pay and work rules.
Personally, I spent twenty plus years on the Eagle side of the corporation before coming over just over five years ago. I have many friends and acquaintances who were at AAL from the late 80’s on, and watched them suffer through one concession after another through two decades. No growth. No upgrades for a generation. Pilots and all of AA’s labor became a very unhappy bunch over the years. Don Carty, Crandall’s successor pulled concessions out of labor, then immediately gave himself and senior level management huge bonuses, something that resonated so poorly with labor that he resigned shortly thereafter. His successors were essentially more of the same.

Name User

No, you are spot on. I have had two not so great interactions with some CP's but I won't go into that here. But people here just do not care. Look at all the guys in CnR who ***** about not being paid extra to save fuel, single engine taxi, take shortcuts, etc. As if their $5/minute pay wasn't enough.

People here do no appreciate what they have going for them. I see so many bitter CAs speaking down to fellow employees.

Sliceback

No, no, no. It's miserable and toxic.

If you're confused quit posting, please. ;-))

TransWorld

I think all the TWA pilots would say thank you. Been through a lot. It is what it is. Suck it up. Enjoy flying. Enjoy (most) of the colleagues. Enjoy the pay (not perfect, but a whole lot better than the big pay cuts agree to during the 1990s). Enjoy time off with family and friends.

Be professional and smile. You can consciously wake up each day and be glad you are alive and are a pilot with one of the major airlines. Having a good attitude is what one decides to have.

Even those retired work to be gracious, professional, and smile.

TransWorld