Very fair.
The trouble in the industry right now is that basically all the regionals worth working for have some problem making them untenable for many. Endevour has most waiting a year for a class date and has undesirable geography, Republic has a similar wait and a shrinking ORD base, Skywest just got a pay raise but still gets this horrific "block or worst" pay structure, Compass isn't gonna last the year, the new ExpressJet is a complete unknown as of now. Where do you want people to go? Air Wisconsin?

Before you could rationalize some of the draw backs of Envoy with the flow. Now that it's too long to be useful to most new pilots, yes I am going to tell people it's no longer worth coming here for. Nothing hypocritical about that.

I respectfully disagree. Since a new hire came on staff in 2016 lots has changed. Endeavor pay raise, republic pay raise, spirit pay raise, SkyWest pay raise, pretty sure Mesa got something, forced upgrades to New York, many other airlines getting new contracts. Son and so on.

Not to mention a new hire coming here in 2016 was looking at a six year flow, not a 10 year flow.

It is absolute advisable to tell people to not come here until things change. It does work, hence the company in mid 2016 upping pay and offering bonuses. Suddenly recruitment exploded.

Apathy is the worst.

The company objected to unemployment due to fired for cause. A hearing was requested and the administrative law judge said it was the most egregious termination he’d seen in 22 years as an admin law judge. Company reinstated within two weeks.

If there were more, it would have been presented. The lawyers argued at arbitration that the company violated their own progressive discipline policy by going straight to termination three separate times bypassing progressive discipline.
Remember 12.E.1.?
Don’t trust arbitration to do what’s right.

Things are definitely better at Envoy now than since early 2015; but schedules, reserve and management attitude aren’t among the improvements.

It’s actually disappointing that they haven’t improved those things. They’ve had the potential to be the greatest regional carrier in history, yet they refuse to adapt and continue to manage waving a big stick.

Real sad to see that sh!t company running the old playbook against you guys again after the pain and long suffering we went thru to get all the “commuter” feed on one seniority list.

Now it’s just like 1989 all over again plus compass and Mesa. We had very inept “leadership “ at the local ALPA level. Sold down the river by Homer and co. Not a hell of a lot of help from ALPA national—(they wanted mainline AA on board, which they never got ). Can’t just sit around while mgt puts the screws to you and say “well, we’re gonna flow anyway in a few years”. Lots of us thought the same——-right up until about sept 10, 2001.

To even think about asking a pilot group to take concessions in this hiring environment is laughable.

Don’t do it guys.

I agree with what you say most of the time and you have some well informed posts but I have to respectfully disagree with you here. The other post that quoted you spells out most issues, but the big one to me is the company’s latest stance on negotiating and requiring concessions of grievances just to continue the negotiation.

So did you and all information was available. Dont like reserve leave. Dont like schedules leave.

The legacies and LCCs are hiring like crazy these days. Get the apps out. And if you’re motivated enough get out to job fairs. Delta has a free one in April.

I’ve watched this same conversation play out a million times at O’Hare, usually this guy is 10 mos. Jr to any of the people complaining but already has a line w/ 17 days off on the 175.

I have a great schedule and haven’t been on reserve for years. I was just offering some advice and being realistic. You keep on being a keyboard warrior big guy.