[QUOTE=Starlifter335;2814074]You need to do your homework as you have little idea of what happened at either company prior to your retirement.

He’s speaking of Flex furloughing after the recession, and while it was done in seniority order some individuals were not recalled or rehired though willing when the operation resumed normal staffing.

Upgrade at FJ is faster because attrition is so high. It turns out, most want to leave for either the airlines or NJ. Sadly, those long term FJ pilots are pretty much the dregs. Too bad.

Don’t get it twisted, the ONLY reason NJA is hiring at all, is attrition.

Yes, there is some attrition at NJ, but it seems to be mostly at the SIC level. It's low when compared to FJ. The problem at NetJets is, if you're a PIC going to an airline doesn't make economic sense. I know a few who had large airplane envy who left for the majors and took a huge pay hit.

The NJ union has negotiated an unbelievable pay and benefits package.

It's only a good kind of unbelievable when compared to other fractional operations.

When compared to legacy carriers, some LCCS, FedEx , or UPS ...it quickly becomes the bad kind of unbelievable.

Only after many years. Then you'd need to make much much more to make up for all the years at lower pay. You would need to have a lot of money saved, or accept a lower standard of living till the major pay caught up to and exceeded NJ, plus at the majors medical coverage for you and your family can be expensive where at NJ it's included in the CBA. It makes economic sense to leave for a major only if you're a new SIC.

FWIW, flying big airplanes doesn't make your junk any larger. Ask me how I know.

This is nothing more than rhetoric. If you work 18 days a month at any major right now you’ll make more than an NJA captain working the same days a month.

Hell, I’ll make more than the FO payscale goes to, including all the incentive pay, and I’ll do that on year 3 pay with 17 days off a month.

The pay argument is hilarious. The only ones at NJA making real money are management pilots extending a bunch.

Compare it to other fractionals. You can be a captain at flex in 2 years, that’s more than a 10 year FO at NJA makes.

Maybe. But as much as a vulture capitalist as Uncle Warren is, I’d take FO at Netjets over PIC for that scumbag KR any day.

I'm seeing a 2 year Flex Phenom Captain gets 463 per day.

182 days worked at 463 a day - Flex Capt is 84266.
182 days 7n7 worked by a 10 year NJ sic is 102000
182 days 7n7 worked by a 10 year NJ pic is 145000
182 days 7n7 worked by a 2 year NJ sic is 67000.


What am I missing in this base pay comparison? I don't see how what you said works ?

Clearly if the two year upgrade holds... FJ would pay better than NJ with the decade or longer upgrade.