Mec and mgt, like watching a married couple, and then the woman mgt says your cut off, the mec men respond I did not mean that, what can I do to make it up to you. Period.

Thanks Brother,
I miss all of you guys too. I don’t miss the unethical, dishonest, shenanigans from management. It’s been nice taking my positive space ticket to/from work on different airlines and seeing so many of our guys in the mainline cockpits. Just rode with a former NY pilot taking me home on Delta not too long ago.
You’ll have a hard time getting real fighters in the union at Envoy. The precedent has already been set that they can repeatedly target, repeatedly harass and eventually fire people who give them grief. My advice, get in, get your hours and get out. That AA flow should be a last resort. It’s rapidly becoming a giant LCC.

It was a distinct honor to have been elected by you all to represent you, to keep the company in check, and to fight for what was right.
The Envoy pilot group was and remains one of the most professional groups of aviators and friends I’ve ever had the pleasure of knowing.

I still keep tabs, with way more contacts inside those buildings than Ric Wilson or Pedro could even imagine.

Personally, when the MEC chairman leaves, I think the MEC should consider hiring a professional union leader rather than a pilot who when push comes to shove works for the company at their leisure; somebody they can’t threaten, intimidate or fire repeatedly.

I have stated numerous times that we need someone that is in charge who is outside of Envoy employment. The only reason why we dont it seems is that the MEC is like any other political power, they dont want to give up control. Not to mention, MEC chair looks good when ALPA national calls.

In fact, it is blatantly absurd that we have negotiating teams that can be intimidated by the company. How it has gone on this long is strange to me, although, even mentioning changing lawyers at the MEC will get you drawn and quartered so I guess that's the way it goes.

One prominent poster here is now high up in the MEC, perhaps they can chime in on their individual thoughts.

I have only been here for a little bit but what was just posted above seems to be the root cause of a lot of problems. Get someone external who cannot be threatened by management and who has not to worry about his own flow or getting fired.

Like said before, kind of staggering that this has been going on for so long.

For reference; this company has fired union LEC/MEC representatives 12 times since 2000 some several times. One was fired seven different times. Always got their jobs back eventually, except for two. The other ones have already flowed.

Is it to late in the game to ask for the pilot group to vote?


Serious question! I think this requires a vote. Just my opinion.

If company can pull away, why can’t we? Give them a dose of their own medicine.

This is key to leverage. Current ALPA CHAIRMAN style.



5 KEY MEN would not survive in today’s environment. How many losses can our pilot group take? Who would even try. I’m very nervous for the future of this pilot group and it’s future union leadership members (overall).

Promises to start a better relationship with your pilot group is not the responsibility of the pilot group. Anyone who has studied management knows “culture” starts from the top, not the bottom.

June 1st is slap in the face vs. PSA. There goes our the 1% Jan 2020 advantage. Flow should never be leverage in negotiations, it’s in the company’s best interest to flow faster. They save AAG millions by having a younger pilot group.

Any truth they’re going to start interviewing for the “flow”?

No. Where did you hear that from?

Yeah that’s total bull*******


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