Our new hire pay is much higher than Delta too. I believe they are on a salary of about $4200/month (gross, untaxed) until they complete IOE.

$5,091/month. It was $4,614/month in 2016.

Each of us have our plusses and minuses...I wouldn't make decisions on where to go based on first year crap.

Thank you for the clarification!!! At United, our new hires get paid 3 hours per day, regardless of if they work. The caveat is if there is an extended period of days off while in training. Then it will revert back to monthly min guarantee. Most likely, new hires will get paid 90-93 hours per month at first year pay. Not only that, but we cover their first uniform, rolling per diem, and as well as hotel rooms while in training.

I agree that I'd like to see our newhire/training pay addressed, it's a crappy part of our contract. But when you run the numbers out for a 2019 UAL/DAL newhire, I'd bet the numbers come out as a wash, even when you figure a DAL guy paying for hotels/uniforms. So back to the point of my original post, don't pick your job based on first year stuff. Go to the one that you can live in base and/or has the easiest commute for where you wish to live.

that’s all great but the point is every company is in negotiations right now and you should want every peer company pushing the bar on a competitive contract. So use the DAL PS to push that section of your contract and Delta pilots will use the good stuff in the UAL contract to push theirs.

I’ve run the numbers and a UAL noob comes out on top by over $11K. Here is my bar napkin math that i posted in a different thread:

UAL pays their new hires first year pay ($91/hr) at 3 hrs per day, so they are getting 90hrs of play per month. That $8.2K gross per month. Let’s assume 3 months from Indoc to IOE complete that $24.6K

DAL new hire salary for 2020 is $5,091/month. Times 3 months Indoc to IOE complete that’s $15,275.

UAL new hire is up $9,300 so far.

Then UAL pays for uniforms (let’s call it $500) and hotels. Sure a DAL noob could get a crash pad for a few hundred bucks, but to compare apples to apples, a single occupancy hotel room crew rate at the red lion is roughly $50/night x 30 nights, so add another $1,500

9300 + 500 + 1500 = $11.3K

Only chance I see DAL guy making up that difference is via PS. A DAL noob gets PS even if they only work 1 day of the year prior. The noobs that got hired Dec 2018 got 16% of their 20 days of prorated salary, which came out to be under $500. I was hired in Sept and my PS was a little over $2K

A UAL noob does not get PS unless they work a full calendar year. So a noob that starts UAL Indoc on Jan 2nd 2020 wont see a PS check until 2022 (for their full year of work in 2021).

It was a hypothetical 2019 hire, so I counted PS (plus 401k on PS)...what's the likelihood of 1Jan class date? Even if you added PS for the UAL guy it's still +/- 5-10k, which still wouldn't sway me...especially if were able to be home based. While our training pay is abysmal, it wouldn't change me mind on where to go. Both are awesome places to be, go to the first one to call and make decisions if you get another call later. Heck my sim partner at AAL had left UAL after 9 months! He also grew up/lives within 10 miles of DFW.

But yes, our training pay is abysmal!

I heard GoJet was offering $76,000 signing bonuses...Is that for real?

And to add to that. i wouldn't make a decision like that based on profit sharing. Profit Sharing is like marrying Farah Faucet. Sure, she's hot now, but (ok, sorry; I know she passed away), but she may not be the hottest girl on the block in a few years. Profit sharing depends on two things: your contract (it could change), and your management (they might stink). They might also stink now, but be great later on, etc... In short, profit sharing is a long term unknown. I wouldn't plan on it for paying the mortgage.

Don’t use PS or what airline provides new hire housing to decide on a 20-30 year flying career! If given the choice pick a major that has a hub where you want to live or easy to commute to/from. General rule of thumb is take the offer of what ever major legacy airline will hire you first... and then if a new offer comes up later weigh the pros/cons (domicile locations, commute possibilities, contract, etc) and decide to jump ship...