The carrot moves often. Was reading about the Guam restricted segment. Guam has an 80% vaccinated rate and is still having issues with the local paper stating that 40% of their hospitalizations being vaccinated people.

Here on the mainland there is a theoretical 70% herd immunity campaign.. in Guam that did not happen so now the governor is threatening to lock it all down again. They’ve already instituted jabbed only activities like in person eating and bars..etc. The schools are shut down only doing online learning. It’s a moving goal post. No way to score a win.

Europe.......

Gee Rick, I believe you live in California, n’est-ce-pas?



Out of 4 and a quarter MILLION diagnosed cases (and you know darn well a lot of asymptomatic cases were completely missed) the 22.5% of CA residents under 18 had 33 deaths ASSOCIATED (not even necessarily caused by) WITH COVID out of a total 65,585 deaths ASSOCIATED with COVID. By comparison, California annually loses 35 kids five and under from drowning in swimming pools .

The entire youngest half of the population only suffered about 1200 of 65,585 deaths.

Now I’m not anti-vax at all and in fact just got my flu shot for this year (walgren’s has them available) but one can readily understand that vaccinating the kids has a much lower risk/reward ratio than….well, than ANYBODY else. It begs the question of if immunizations for that age group are truly for the sake of the kids at all, because the risk isn’t there. So is this push to speed up immunization approval for those under 12 really for the kids?

Nope.

I’ll vaccinate my two children under 12 as soon as its available, but I’m not writing breathless op-eds in the NYT demanding them RIGHT NOW either as if they have the same statistical clinical risks as 70+ year olds (yes, this past week had a couple of those).

Someone brought up an interesting point is the COVID shot really a vaccine in the traditional sense or more like the yearly flu shot? Vaccines have traditionally given you mostly immunity from the disease not lessened the sickness. I mean you usually don’t say or refer to getting the flu, tetanus vaccine but shot.

It absolutely is not a vaccine, but rather a therapeutic boost of neutralizing antibodies. The Pfizer CEO says three shots per year, but the engineering data says only two per year.

Vaccinated or not, we have decided not to go anywhere or patronize any business where we have to "show our papers" like it's a Moscow train station in 1979. The water is nearly to a boil.

Typically "for their own benefit" implies medical reasoning and not being allowed to do the things they were once allowed to do and now not allowed to do.

Social isolation and mental/developmental issues have been very clearly observed in school age children during the lockdowns. Plenty of info available on that.

You are of course perfectly entitled to do that (and vice versa).

Personally I don't care either way. Individuals can make their own choices, and businesses/organizations can make theirs as well. It will all shake out in the end.