New thread was requested so we don’t keep clogging up the new hire one…. Although not having any new hires show up sure would be great. Anyway now that we have M over a barrel, how much do we make it hurt, discuss.

Back pay to the end date of the last contract; they can prorate it over the next yer to encourage retention…just saying’

How bout letting the EXCO do their job?

There’s no way to rush this or cram something through to curb attrition; that train has left the station. We’re negotiating the best contract possible for our pilots & the entire CBA needs an overhaul, line-by-line. My guess is 2-3 years & some ugly times are ahead of us…..

This is a good reference. In past attrition times management would love this long time frame. Normally with one or two legacy’s hiring in dribs and drabs, management could absorb the losses easily.



There won’t be anything to vote on this year. The contract needs a complete line by line lawyer proof overhaul. M.G. will do what he always does; offer lead bars wrapped in gold paper. Pay increase, thin contract, woefully substandard work rules. Playing the long game in negotiations is a collective defacto “No Vote”.



It will get ugly the closer we get to the end of this year and first deliveries of the max. Hostage taking, visceral personal attacks on union negotiators, F&H spin machine in overdrive. Enjoy.

Gotta push back on this a tad. We (IBT) knew this date was coming. We should already have a pretty good idea what the language should look like. We aren't re-inventing the wheel here, there are half a dozen superior CBA's where we could grab their language if needed. For instance, Spirit has nice hotel contract language. Just take theirs and spiff it up. This isn't rocket science, just pattern bargaining.

Maybe. Not gonna happen without playing out all the way to the last minute before self-help, IMO.

It really isn’t a reinvention of unknown untested contracts. Management will cross all of that language out and pass back garbage to our negotiators. They desperately need to force a fast and furious one. We don’t. The timing is perfect for a complete, epic melt down this year. An industry shift in pilot market. No subcontractors to bail them out. Just in time for the max. Way too many balls in the air for this place, even when things are semi-okay.

With the sheer number of PRIA requests going through management has got to be concerned. Arguably it’ll be a contract negotiation like we have never seen before. Either management gives the pilot group a massive win or they hold out and nothing gets done. If nothing gets done pilots won’t come here and you’ll see the nations most profitable airline eat itself alive in a very short period of time. Just my guess though!

Imo the need for self-help is obsolete in today’s pilot market. Management is on their knees praying for another covid like event to offset this.