Can anyone explain the flow. Company is saying two years once your a captain. Does that mean no matter what in two years you flow to delta at their earliest class date? Are there stipulations to the flow? I can’t seem to find any information on this.

2 years from becoming a CA is the minimum. You will not flow in 24 months. We currently have around 2000 pilots. We flow 20/month, but attrition is around 50-60/month. At only 20/month, it would take you 100 months to flow. If attrition stays at 50ish, that number comes down to 40 months. The biggest factor is outside attrition. If it stays high, you’ll flow faster. If the retention bonus actually works, and people stay here till they go to DL, you’ll flow in 6-7 years.

Just to add some context. RE's last email stated that 81% of captained has opted for the retention. And previous to that RE mentioned that only 16% of F/O had opted in. Add to this, that Delta is slowing the outside hiring of DC pilots, so outside of Flow attrition may very well fall.

Yup, I've heard of some guys get offered class dates at OO here 5 months later from when their interview/CJO was for delta whereas non DC pilots in their interview group were getting class dates with a month and a half

Yeah. In this environment, waiting for a flow - or even being in a regional codesharing for where you WANT to go - is a negative.

The new shortest path to a major, unless you are a legacy or a highly desired diversity demographic is regional to ACMI or ULCC to legacy.

If a 9E pilot was hired hired OTS today, they wouldn’t start with DAL until 2023. Unless they are propel, then they go straight to the top of the list jumping everyone else. Must be nice to be one of the anointed pilots.

And no - seniority and longevity starts the day you begin indoc at Delta, not the 9 months you hold a CJO while they hire 200 a month. Want to work a Delta quickly? Leave Endeavor ASAP!


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Pardon my ignorance, but what is “ACMI”? I agree that the flow seems inordinately lengthy.

Atlas or similar.

https://www.atlasair.com/cargo-services/acmi/




Any big aircraft type (or better yet, a regional type AND a big aircraft type) is going to trump a regional only type when it comes to an OTS hire and the company would prefer to NOT hire from their own codeshare regional and handicap their own feed.

it isn’t personal, it’s just business. And no, the legacy pilots at your code-share major do not give a $hit about you, not even the alumni from your regional. They believe you are underbidding them for THEIR flying and, although better than scabs, aren’t just a whole lot better.

So get in, get hours, get the next step up the ladder as soon as possible, then the one after that. Waiting for flow is only for those who know that they’ll never get there without it.

As I'm currently filling out my jetblue app as their window is open. With AA and UAL apps already filled out just waiting.

But yes if you want delta..go somewhere else. If you're here and years from flow find a lcc then apply.

The ‘guaranteed progression’ model is looking pretty silly right now. I feel for the junior pilots who are taking the brunt of the broomstick on this deal.

“Take this quality of life hit for the foreseeable future while we dangle the carrot because, you’ll get there someday! Meanwhile we negotiate on the senior 9E pilots behalf for a guaranteed spot at Delta.” Even when those pilots have already been given the chance (some multiple times) and turned away.

The flow pilots are taking away CJOs or even the chance to get a CJO from some high quality pilots just because they haven’t driven an RJ for decades and it’s a shame. I don’t understand why brand new FOs, or really anyone outside the top 500 at Endeavor would sport that orange lanyard. Agreeing to that dumb flow really only benefits the people who couldn’t seem to progress on their own for whatever reason. Progression for all my butt.