That’s great and all, but what about the 5800 that still have to work under the rest of the contract sections, most of which weren’t even addressed in TA1 openers, that are by far industry worst? Industry worst seat lock language, system bid frequency, lack of true min day, no hotels for recurrent/ ITU, unlimited operational emergency usage by the company to extend to FARs, etc, etc.

What is troubling for me is that the conversation is, and always will be about retirement. It’ll never be about making this a good place to work while we’re actually doing it, and that’s troubling.

Until the A-plan is tied to 401(k) compensation limits, that will continue to be the case. One of the big issues with the traditional A-Plan.

Why would we want the A plan tied to 401(k) compensation limits? If we want Delta+ pay rates, the A plan compensation limit for 2023 would be $330k while the top compensation would be over $417k.

Exactly, we cannot allow this CBA to become worse in any of these sections where we are already among industry worst. We need to protect our junior flying too, and improve it.

First order of business for new NC is climbing out of the hole that PM dug us into by playing "fast and loose" (his words) with all the initially TA'd sections and saying Yes to the company for SMU, saying Yes to them for R16, and saying Yes for BLG required for AVA/VLT/DRF and Selling VAC.

If you think a new NC should be leading us to TA2, make sure to explicitly state it in the survey, which has no question directly asking the obvious: should the NC be replaced for TA2? Not even in one of those mulitiple annoying "rank in order of importance the next 20 answers, and make them add up to 100". Survey brought to you by: the same guys who brought you TA1 and seem intent on bringing you TA2 before there is time to reorganize with new leadership.

Wait. ”Soften” scope? As in; make it easier for the company to outsource?

Make the language in such a way that it will soften the NOs to YESs for a TA1.5

fellow poster thanks for chiming in. TA1.0 was inadequate. We have folks talking about scope, pay rates, concessions, retro , etc (you get the picture). I am just highlighting yet another key failure of that document.

I have 3-4 contracts left here and want this place improved as well. The thread is called “No One Left Behind”. We are going in the same direction.

Let’s GO!

This one just kills me. Who negotiates a contract that can be unilaterally suspended by one party whenever they like, as often as they like, for as long as they like? How stupid is that?

So we are the worst in the industry? I know you've been here awhile since you came over from your regional - were we always the worst? Why did you pick a place to come to with the worst work rules?

PM played "fast and loose" - in his words - please expand about this statement.

He said "yes" to R16? We proposed the changes in long call reserve - Company would have loved to keep R24 with base hotel stby like it is - they don't want to change it, R16 was the compromise.

There were changes to DFT? Did you even read the TA?

So kind of weird that the campaign statements for block reps don't appear to include a guarantee they will only back a TA that offers full retirement benefits to amendable date. Probably a good thing as that is very unlikely to ever get passed - like saying I won't support any TA that doesn't have $900/hour pay - just another way of saying you will always vote NO. And there are quite a lot of people that do always vote NO and advertise it here regularly.