There are still quite a few over 60 727 SOs who couldn't hold a vacancy on 08-01 because they were too junior, who could now bid to "relieve the excess."

There are those who will be captains for five more years.

There are those who will be F/O's for five more years.

There are those who will be S/O's for five more years.

There are those who will wait for their dream job for five more years.

And which of these 4 groups does DW care about? (hint it starts with a Z, ends with a O, has four letters and rhymes with hero). I'm of the opinion that DW has done all the harm he can do to our pilot group and unless he can think up another way to further destroy our morale or unity he ought to call it a day and quit. However, in fairness, can anybody out there say something positive or constructive about DW's reign of terror (oops, I gave myself away) the last year? Is there anybody out there that would like to defend him? It just seems like when you can't win a popularity contest with Bin Laden, you should get the message. Then again, it's never been about popularity, or what's best for the pilot group or what we want or how we feel about any issue. When the company say's "he requested to return to the line", we all know that means he was fired, and when DW say's "it's the right thing to do", it means, I could give a rat's a$$ what the membership thinks because I'll do what I want and I could care less what you think. Frank Fato where are you?

"When the company say's "he requested to return to the line", we all know that means he was fired, and when DW say's "it's the right thing to do", it means, I could give a rat's a$$ what the membership thinks because I'll do what I want and I could care less what you think. "

Do you get the feeling that the MEC is not getting enough of the members to take the latest poll about Presidential Candidate endorsement? It has been pushed in every message line and now it was part of a special message line last night. They have even moved the link to the front of the ALPA web page for easier access. I guess when you ignore 77% of your membership on the last poll they took it only makes sense that no one will care about taking the next one. DW's actions communicated loud and clear to the members that when he wanted our opinion he would give it to us. When we have new leadership, that actually cares about what the majority of their members think, maybe I'll take another poll. Being told once that the leadership knows what is better for us than the large majority does after taking a poll is enough. Fool me once..

Then those who are captains, and probably won't be for 3 to five years after next month

I guess they could bid the 757 or HKG F/O, correct? since this are actual vacancies.

Yes, they just need to hold a primary or secondary.

was at FFs house last week in hernando...he has his own problems at Pinnacle...i told him i would sponsor him next time we hire!

The drill now is that they keep polling until they get the answers they want. If it doesn't happen right the first time, they reword the questions.

For simplicity, I ignored the 30 HKG slots as they may not get filled. After you take out the 30 or so 757 CA and FO vacancies from the excesses we have about (+/-5)...

105 CAs getting excessed
105 FOs getting excessed
105 SOs getting excessed

I see the company putting all 105 CAs into wide CA slots. Same for FO's. For SO's I figure about 20 DC10 SOs are going down to 727 SO. That would allow 35 DC10 and 70 727 SOs to voluntarily excess to CA or FO. That's about 105 CAs and 210 FOs (could be more CAs and fewer FOs) who probably want better seats. Can we absorb that many in the widebodies?

Given the fact that the Boeing is excessing all seats (with no furloughs) I can only assume we want to plus up the widebodies by those amounts as we decrease the number of Boeing crewmembers.


Thoughts?